Yeah, but while Rivendell is generally very open about their business via the Blahg or weekly emails, I wouldn't say Crust shied-away from talking about their own. I feel like they would have made any kind of announcement or something. Plus they just relocated to Virgina, sponsored a rider among other recent developments. If they closed to progressive failings as a business, I don't know if they would have ventured down those paths. I don't own a small buisness though... maybe these things happen quickly.