I have had my Co-Motion Pangea Rohloff going on 8 years now. It is defiantly not the lightest Rohloff equipped bicycle with a gates belt. I have read all the reasons lame as they are about weight and more friction and how it don't shift right. I hear it is also no good because that massive weight in the rear, will not play well on a mountain bike while trying to jump off of a cliff. All I know is I like it and it repeatedly does what I expect it to do. I like dependability with no mess. I didn't purchase a racing bike. I purchased a bike to get me there, were ever that may be.