furiousferret When I lived in NorCal, I avoided Copperopolis due to the bad road descent and it is not a great course for me. I did race on some of the Copperopolis roads in the Topsport Stage Race and the Madero Stage race had a 2.2 mile section of terrible road that beat the crap out of racers. I raced Madera twice and said never again.