hi all you appreciative centurion bike fans,as we all know the japanese built many fine bikes(or at least marketed them under various guises.) and the mid range bikes by centurion,panasonic(and pannie built schwinns),diamondbacks,miyatas,univegas(especially the miyata built frames) etc remain underappreciated and considerably underpriced though quietly undercoveted........i think these mid range( and nicer) models are way nicer in terms of ride quality,aesthetics,finish work as well as uniqueness put them heads above any tig welded(unlugged) frame currently available built in taiwan.....however,i do think that surlys,somas and similar do deserve the respect and popularity they receive because they get people on steel bikes who do not care to ride nor want vintage machines..........its not what you ride but that you ride.........