My riding group used to do pie rides. There's a café which makes its own very good pies and which closes at 4:00. It's at the bottom of a pass climb. The idea was to ride over the pass, have lunch at a town on the other side, then return in time to order and eat pie, so sort of a two-pass time trial with an outside limit. It's about 70 miles and 6000'. Unfortunately, the café quit letting us use their parking lot, and there being nowhere else to park, the pie part of the ride came to an end. We continued doing the ride, using another start point, until recently when traffic over that pass became just too much for our nerves. People keep moving to Washington.
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