PeteHski and
genejockey : you guys are arguing with posters who can't (or won't) comprehend your rather simple statements or are deliberately concocting straw man arguments -- probably the former, since a child could come up with better straw man arguments than the ones they are offering.
At any rate, you should quit while you are behind. With some of these folks, you're never gonna get through. Just state your case and move on. I'm speaking from experience.
That's just my $.04. (That's $.02, adjusted for inflation.)