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Dat flugelhorn tho!
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This bike is definitely different. 140m-150mm of travel, and it's highest gear is a 32x11. It's not a bike for flatland offroad. It climbs well for 30+lb bike, but when things slope downhill it's dreamy.
My old SC Nomad was a few pounds lighter, but it cost almost $6k 10 years ago. This complete bike cost a little more than that frame.
My old SC Nomad was a few pounds lighter, but it cost almost $6k 10 years ago. This complete bike cost a little more than that frame.
#7505
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#7506
VFL For Life
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#7507
So it is
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#7508
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#7509
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Reported.
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I have a question, it may be a dumb question to some who already know the answer but I’ve never seriously given it any thought before. So do these wind instruments have valves that keep the air at pressure and keep it from bleeding back? Because I can’t imagine a human being can push all that air, like above for example, every time he needs to blow a note. It can’t possibly be with these big convoluted horns.
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I have a question, it may be a dumb question to some who already know the answer but I’ve never seriously given it any thought before. So do these wind instruments have valves that keep the air at pressure and keep it from bleeding back? Because I can’t imagine a human being can push all that air, like above for example, every time he needs to blow a note. It can’t possibly be with these big convoluted horns.
#7513
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Who's such a stud he killed his OG Hammer this morning?
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#7515
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I'm not sure if I'm proud or pissed. I also think (hope) it's just the freehub portion and that the LBS can bring it back to life. If not, Neo 2T will be ordered. But yeah, was plowing up an 8% grade on Rouvy this morning, hear a *crack*, and then there's no resistance in any gear and the cassette just spins.
This also dovetails with my intent to invest in an MP1 to take some abuse off the rest of the system.
This also dovetails with my intent to invest in an MP1 to take some abuse off the rest of the system.
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And it wasn’t even 400w. The session’s peak was 381w to that point, and it was under that when it said “no más”.
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I don't fully understand the physics of it all, but the sound has very little to do with air pressure, per se. It's about vibrations--which start with the air flowing through the player's lips. You do need faster air (higher pressure, so to speak) to play higher. The valves "lengthen" the instrument, thus changing the pitch.
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Ok, but let me put my question another way. Is it that air just occupies space in the tubes at atmospheric pressure, and that for each note the musician wants to create he needs to move all that stagnant air up to a certain speed? Or is it that the air in the tubes is held under pressure until the musician pushes it just a small amount to make a note? It just doesn’t seem possible that the human lungs can push all that stagnant air against the inherent drag of all those narrow tubes for each note he wants to play. But if so, that’s incredible.
IIRC.
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Ok, but let me put my question another way. Is it that air just occupies space in the tubes at atmospheric pressure, and that for each note the musician wants to create he needs to move all that stagnant air up to a certain speed? Or is it that the air in the tubes is held under pressure until the musician pushes it just a small amount to make a note? It just doesn’t seem possible that the human lungs can push all that stagnant air against the inherent drag of all those narrow tubes for each note he wants to play. But if so, that’s incredible.
I have played both trumpet and tuba. The tuba does require a bit more airflow, but that just seems to be a necessary consequence of the amount of air it takes to vibrate your lips at frequencies that the tuba is designed to resonate at. If you want to try a silly experiment, try to buzz your lips at a high frequency and then at a very low and floppy frequency. I think you'll find that the latter will exhaust your lungs a lot faster than the former.
TL;DR - You just make the air inside the horn vibrate from buzzing your lips, any air movement through the horn is a necessary byproduct of that.
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#7525
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Crikey. If I didn't have 10 sets of rim brake rims.....
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