EjustE

Nope

At least in the late 70s and on the 600 group in all of its iterrations was the second most expensive (save for one-and-a-half year when Sante was alive) and the second rated Shimano road group, after Dura Ace. 600AX, 600EX and the transitionary long lived 64xx group that was born in the late 80s as 600EX Ultegra, then the EX was lost and by the mid 90s the 600 went away.

Back to the OPs question. Those rankings are about right, but the mid-late 80s Campy groups are missing. Those were from top to bottom (and stayed close to that until the mid 90s) :

Record (lots of people call it C-Record, but "C" stands for "Corsa" = road, to differentiate it from "Pista" = track, but the group's name is Record )
Chorus
Athena
Victory/Veloce
Junk (Euclid, Mirage, Xenon)

+1 to miamijim's comment about a rudimentary Shimano SIS group (like 105 or even Exage) was better in shifting and braking than any of those, from 1987 to about 1992. Then Campy introduced Ergos. Game over as far as shifting went, but Shimano still did have the advantage in braking for a good decade...

thirdgenbird

there also used to be an rx100 placed under 105...

thirdgenbird

i thought the tricolor brifters said ultegra 600 on them... cut me some slack,, i was pretty young at the time

edit:

i may have been 6, but my memory of my mom triathlon racer is pretty vivid:

ultegra 600

noglider 

Doesn't corsa mean race and doesn't strada mean road?

EjustE

And an RSX under the RX100 too (in the 90s). RSX replaced the Exage iterrations (there were 3 Exage groups most of the time) and RX100 was practically 105 for all purposes other than cosmetics and weight.

thirdgenbird

of course, i forgot about rsx . i always thought the shiny finish of the rx100 looked better than 105. my first real road bike was a bianchi with a rx100 groupo and a sugino cranks. later on i got the 105 sti levers off of my dads training bike.

Grand Bois

Yes.

cudak888 

When did this become a *****mano thread? Campagnolo is starting to look just that much easier.

-Kurt

Reynolds 

Where would Daytona be? Or is it too recent?

thirdgenbird

daytona = centaur

i cant remember the exact years but daytona was in the early 2000s or so but they were forced to change the name for copyright reasons. because of this they brought the centaur name out of retirement to take its place.

edit: centaur was previously used for a mtb group in the early 90s

cudak888 

In northern Florida, and not on a Campagnolo rear derailer, preferably.

-Kurt

thirdgenbird

the italians over at Ferrari thought daytona was a good name too.


incidentally, it could have campagnolo wheels too:

fietsbob

Haven't even mentioned the <c> Mountain Bike parts, Themis Centaur, Olympus and Euclid ,
Have some of that stuff on my Camper tour bike.
Olympus RD has steel back plate on the parallelogram, Euclid upped to a forged aluminum piece.

Record OR group a bit novel, spline and lock-ring fitted #2 and 3 chainrings on the back of the crank,
only large one bolted to the spider... and the beefy smoothly polished center-pull caliper.

Xenon and Athena was in the entry level road bike lineup back in that era..

cudak888 

So could a bloody Ford:





-Kurt

thirdgenbird

i found one of those out in the wild last year:


and now we are successfully of course...

nancyj

I found this and thought it was interesting. A Campagnolo timeline - Dont know how accurate it is.

https://www.velo-retro.com/tline.html

Grand Bois

Seen this?

https://www.campyonly.com/history/campy_timeline.html

cudak888 

Both timelines are about as accurate as a blind man at a skeet shooting range.

For that matter, despite the few bits of factual information at Campy Only, there's been more nonsense put to words on that site about Campagnolo than any other.

-Kurt

roccobike

Thanks to dashuaigeh for starting this thread. I'm pretty savvy when it comes to Shimano, but a virtual newbie when it comes to Campy. That was fine when I was a Shimano only guy, but now I regularly ride two Campy bikes and have a third waiting in the wings plus a vintage Campy ride. I need to find a way to bookmark this one.
Good job to all the contributors, much appreciated.

Picchio Special

Werd. The stuff about Tullio "inventing" the derailleur is especially choice.

That said, both timelines are OK as rough guides - I think Chuck's is a little better, and I believe the Campyonly timeline may originally have been based on it to some extent.

dashuaigeh

np, thanks to all these guys for imparting their knowledge.

QNelson

Dumb question but forgive me. I have a Campy front and rear derailleur but I cant see where it says the group name anywhere on it. Is it usually stamped on it or can you just tell by looking at it? Also (not sure if this is the correct thread but you guys were talking about it) I'm confused on the 600 group by Shimano. I'm assuming that the 600 series that came on my 86 Schwinn World Sport is not the nice 600 set you guys are talking about above, correct?

EjustE

Campy for a while did not put names on their components and you need to visually identify them. To make things more complex, some components are virtually indistinguishable from a photo (like the Chorus and Athena 7sp hubs) and several groups shared the same components. Late 80s aero stems and early ergos (record and chorus) fall into this category.

Correct. There was an older shimano 600 group that was not the nice one This is probably what it's on there, but the '86 World Sport came with the non-group FDZ 202 FD and RDL 522 RD. Light Action level.

QNelson

Great info. I'll try to post up some pictures of the front and rear derailleur and maybe i'll get lucky and someone can tell what they are.

QNelson

Ok heres a few front and back pictures of the front and rear derailleurs. I also have brakes but I figure there going to be the same group as whatever these guys are.

Rear derailleur front



Rear derailleur back


Front derailleur front




Front derailleur back