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11-12-22, 08:33 AM
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I generally agree with this--attacking a newbie for asking too basic a question is just not useful to anyone. I would much rather risk being trolled into giving a sincere response to an insincere question than risk insulting a sincere kid or someone else not able to work google for whatever reason. Also, it seems that oftentimes there's a subtle issue that makes the newby op atypical in some relevant way such that the standard answers you'd find with a google search just won't be adequate, and experience of other cyclists on the forum might be helpful.
However, there's also a type of newby that shouldn't be treated with kid gloves (staying withon forum rules, of course). It's the ones who post something that looks like a question, but are really " you're a sucker" insults. I'm paraphrasing here, but this is typical of the genre:
"Why do people spend so much on lightweight high-performance bikes when it's obvious that they'll get a better workout on a heavier cheaper bike?"
Some variation of that gets posted a couple times a year, generally by a newby, who isn't really looking for information, but has Dunning-Krugered himself into believing that he's here to enlighten us fools. Note that the form of the question assumes people are ignoring the dubious "obvious" fact, and isn't asking whether that "fact" is actually true. That newby came to play, and they're fair game for an argument in my book.
However, there's also a type of newby that shouldn't be treated with kid gloves (staying withon forum rules, of course). It's the ones who post something that looks like a question, but are really " you're a sucker" insults. I'm paraphrasing here, but this is typical of the genre:
"Why do people spend so much on lightweight high-performance bikes when it's obvious that they'll get a better workout on a heavier cheaper bike?"
Some variation of that gets posted a couple times a year, generally by a newby, who isn't really looking for information, but has Dunning-Krugered himself into believing that he's here to enlighten us fools. Note that the form of the question assumes people are ignoring the dubious "obvious" fact, and isn't asking whether that "fact" is actually true. That newby came to play, and they're fair game for an argument in my book.
If a seasoned member here is really afraid of being "duped" by giving a legitimate response to a troll question, then they're pretty thin skinned to begin with.
11-12-22, 09:36 AM
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I generally agree with this--attacking a newbie for asking too basic a question is just not useful to anyone. I would much rather risk being trolled into giving a sincere response to an insincere question than risk insulting a sincere kid or someone else not able to work google for whatever reason. Also, it seems that oftentimes there's a subtle issue that makes the newby op atypical in some relevant way such that the standard answers you'd find with a google search just won't be adequate, and experience of other cyclists on the forum might be helpful.
However, there's also a type of newby that shouldn't be treated with kid gloves (staying withon forum rules, of course). It's the ones who post something that looks like a question, but are really " you're a sucker" insults. I'm paraphrasing here, but this is typical of the genre:
"Why do people spend so much on lightweight high-performance bikes when it's obvious that they'll get a better workout on a heavier cheaper bike?"
Some variation of that gets posted a couple times a year, generally by a newby, who isn't really looking for information, but has Dunning-Krugered himself into believing that he's here to enlighten us fools. Note that the form of the question assumes people are ignoring the dubious "obvious" fact, and isn't asking whether that "fact" is actually true. That newby came to play, and they're fair game for an argument in my book.
However, there's also a type of newby that shouldn't be treated with kid gloves (staying withon forum rules, of course). It's the ones who post something that looks like a question, but are really " you're a sucker" insults. I'm paraphrasing here, but this is typical of the genre:
"Why do people spend so much on lightweight high-performance bikes when it's obvious that they'll get a better workout on a heavier cheaper bike?"
Some variation of that gets posted a couple times a year, generally by a newby, who isn't really looking for information, but has Dunning-Krugered himself into believing that he's here to enlighten us fools. Note that the form of the question assumes people are ignoring the dubious "obvious" fact, and isn't asking whether that "fact" is actually true. That newby came to play, and they're fair game for an argument in my book.
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
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11-12-22, 09:43 AM
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It must be very comforting for you to be able to know the motives of a complete stranger through a message board posting. You’re clearly very talented.
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
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11-12-22, 10:38 AM
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It must be very comforting for you to be able to know the motives of a complete stranger through a message board posting. You’re clearly very talented.
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
I'm actually glad to see there is some moderation here. That seems almost non-existent on RBR.
11-12-22, 10:43 AM
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11-12-22, 10:48 AM
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11-12-22, 11:15 AM
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11-12-22, 03:35 PM
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It must be very comforting for you to be able to know the motives of a complete stranger through a message board posting. You’re clearly very talented.
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
The word “troll” is thrown around on this forum with wild abandon, often by folks who don’t seem to have any understanding of the meaning of the word. This is unlike any other forum I am a part of, including ones with way more testosterone. In no other forum is a newbie’s stupid question post automatically labeled as a troll more often than here. I’ve never seen the “ignore list” threat used more often than here. The insecurity displayed by many is truly astounding, and plays right into the general public’s perception of cyclists (see “Pearls before Swine”).
Did you actually read my hypothetical example? I don't need anything other than the ability to read to know the motive behind such a post because the accusation against others is plain to see in that post. It's plain trolling on its face. The type of posting I'm talking about isn't just a "stupid question", it's a stupid assertion/accusation. I suggested quite the opposite about assuming the motives of people asking basic questions, I just assume good faith with those and will either answer or not. I agree that people on this forum seem to jump to the trolling conclusion way too easily, but that doesn't mean we should assume good faith when anybody, newbies included, posts a classic " are you still beating your wife " type question.
I think it's ironic that your put-down of me pretty much ignored what I actually posted, jumping right into a completely wrong read of my supposed motivations. You just completely skipped over the first part of my post that largely agreed with the "treat naive newbies decently" message Billy d was suggesting.
I find your pearl clutching about "Pearls Before Swine" ironic as well. I'm not buying into this "public's perception of cyclists" bs for one second.
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11-12-22, 03:59 PM
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But it's a lot more complicated than that. I've seen forums die simply because the lack of moderation allowed newbies to flood the forum with all sorts of hijacking and trolling, often political, sexist, racist, spammy, promoting crackpot theories, or just plain mean behavior. I think the mods here do a good job of balancing these concerns, trying to
get people to stop jumping on naive newbies, but giving short shrift to newbies with an "incompatible agenda".
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But it's a lot more complicated than that. I've seen forums die simply because the lack of moderation allowed newbies to flood the forum with all sorts of hijacking and trolling, often political, sexist, racist, spammy, promoting crackpot theories, or just plain mean behavior. I think the mods here do a good job of balancing these concerns, trying to
get people to stop jumping on naive newbies, but giving short shrift to newbies with an "incompatible agenda".
get people to stop jumping on naive newbies, but giving short shrift to newbies with an "incompatible agenda".
11-12-22, 06:00 PM
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More like what did we miss while you were on vacation. Almost 2000 views already, close to 100 replies. Jump right back in.
11-13-22, 03:29 PM
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Agreed. So BillyD, is cx perma-banned from the Bicycle Mechanics subforum? If so, I think that strategy should be re-considered. That's where his expertise shines and where he contributes the most.
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11-13-22, 05:22 PM
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11-15-22, 06:31 PM
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