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12-15-15, 12:22 PM
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Double poo. That just sucks big time. Heal up fast.
12-15-15, 12:30 PM
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@globecanvas Probably eccentric contractions on the hike down hill. The other day I was doing a leg workout alternating box jumps and leg presses. I have done this before. I added an isometric hold at the end of the leg press set for 30 seconds. I felt a little strain / cramp in my quads during the hold and stopped. They felt stiff but okay. I went for another set of jumps and on the first jump my quads seized. It was amazing how much pain one can get in both inner and outer legs. I laid on the mat and stretched and rolled but when I got home, they were sill really sore. Fortunately, they were better the next day.
BTW, I noted last night how high I actually jumped and the angle of my knees on landing. I am at a different gym that does not have plyo safe boxes so I used a 12 inch metal plyo bench. I jump 12 inches of vertical and my legs are straight and feet slightly above the box. I land soft and step off. I suspect when I jump 24 inch box, my knee angle is less than 135 degrees. So I suspect that 15 to 18 inch box is about right for me.
BTW, I noted last night how high I actually jumped and the angle of my knees on landing. I am at a different gym that does not have plyo safe boxes so I used a 12 inch metal plyo bench. I jump 12 inches of vertical and my legs are straight and feet slightly above the box. I land soft and step off. I suspect when I jump 24 inch box, my knee angle is less than 135 degrees. So I suspect that 15 to 18 inch box is about right for me.
12-15-15, 12:51 PM
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3.5h of xc is a $h1t-ton of time. it is pretty damn hard, to ski hard for much more than 2h...and your first time out.
why do you think it does not contribute to bike fitness? if you are skiing hard, it requires a significant aerobic engine (and depending on how you hit hills & such it can take huge vo2).
were you just touring/shuffling your feet...or really skiing? if the former, it was probably 3h of low endurance. if the latter.....
did you wear a HR strap? might be good for you to do sometime, then feed it into a system that will spit out hrTSS to give you a ballpark.
fwiw, i skated on saturday for ~2h, moderate intensity...about 120TSS. classic skied on sunday ~1h45m.....much lower TSS. if you're not doing so already, you may be a little surprised at how high your HR can be during "easy" skiing due to the nature of it (muscles in all 4 limbs firing), and due to generally lower economy (esp for amateur skiers) vs efficiency on the bike which doesn't vary as much.
why do you think it does not contribute to bike fitness? if you are skiing hard, it requires a significant aerobic engine (and depending on how you hit hills & such it can take huge vo2).
were you just touring/shuffling your feet...or really skiing? if the former, it was probably 3h of low endurance. if the latter.....
did you wear a HR strap? might be good for you to do sometime, then feed it into a system that will spit out hrTSS to give you a ballpark.
fwiw, i skated on saturday for ~2h, moderate intensity...about 120TSS. classic skied on sunday ~1h45m.....much lower TSS. if you're not doing so already, you may be a little surprised at how high your HR can be during "easy" skiing due to the nature of it (muscles in all 4 limbs firing), and due to generally lower economy (esp for amateur skiers) vs efficiency on the bike which doesn't vary as much.
And yes, I guess it does contribute to on the bike fitness, but not as much as similar TSS on the bike in my opinion. My legs are sore in different locations than they are from riding. More in the hip flexors, outsides of my quads and lower back than riding. My upper back and shoulders are a bit sore as well. Its all good as it is great fun and definitely great exercise.
12-15-15, 12:53 PM
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I'm in serious pain, like hobbled. Sunday I did a rock scramble with my kids, totally not strenuous, but walking down off the crag my left quad started to hurt. Yesterday I did a lot of box jumps, and afterwards both quads were sore enough that I took an Aleve. Didn't really think about the soreness for the rest of the day.
This morning I went MTBing. Felt totally fine for the first 20 minutes, which included a short climb. We were riding pretty hard. On the descent I dropped the seatpost and was in a crouch for maybe a minute. Coming out of the crouch both quads cramped up to where I couldn't pedal. Any contraction of the muscle was intolerable. Both quads, on the meat of the muscle, both inside and outside. No pain at all when not contracted.
I limped back to the car, took a couple Aleve, drank a bunch of water. Two hours later I am still walking like a cowboy. Doesn't feel like an injury - not localized enough, no pain at all when not contracted, and pain disappeared completely Sunday and Monday evening. It feels like bad cramps, but with no real physical cause. I'm wondering if maybe it's an illness presenting itself. I guess I'll stay off the bike for a day or two. Bleh.
This morning I went MTBing. Felt totally fine for the first 20 minutes, which included a short climb. We were riding pretty hard. On the descent I dropped the seatpost and was in a crouch for maybe a minute. Coming out of the crouch both quads cramped up to where I couldn't pedal. Any contraction of the muscle was intolerable. Both quads, on the meat of the muscle, both inside and outside. No pain at all when not contracted.
I limped back to the car, took a couple Aleve, drank a bunch of water. Two hours later I am still walking like a cowboy. Doesn't feel like an injury - not localized enough, no pain at all when not contracted, and pain disappeared completely Sunday and Monday evening. It feels like bad cramps, but with no real physical cause. I'm wondering if maybe it's an illness presenting itself. I guess I'll stay off the bike for a day or two. Bleh.
12-15-15, 01:00 PM
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60min session with 40min sweet spot, varying between 88-95% (carillon on trainerroad). it's sunny and in the 50's today, but I'd prefer not to get blown off my bike with the 25+mph winds
12-15-15, 01:04 PM
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I'm in serious pain, like hobbled. Sunday I did a rock scramble with my kids, totally not strenuous, but walking down off the crag my left quad started to hurt. Yesterday I did a lot of box jumps, and afterwards both quads were sore enough that I took an Aleve. Didn't really think about the soreness for the rest of the day.
This morning I went MTBing. Felt totally fine for the first 20 minutes, which included a short climb. We were riding pretty hard. On the descent I dropped the seatpost and was in a crouch for maybe a minute. Coming out of the crouch both quads cramped up to where I couldn't pedal. Any contraction of the muscle was intolerable. Both quads, on the meat of the muscle, both inside and outside. No pain at all when not contracted.
I limped back to the car, took a couple Aleve, drank a bunch of water. Two hours later I am still walking like a cowboy. Doesn't feel like an injury - not localized enough, no pain at all when not contracted, and pain disappeared completely Sunday and Monday evening. It feels like bad cramps, but with no real physical cause. I'm wondering if maybe it's an illness presenting itself. I guess I'll stay off the bike for a day or two. Bleh.
This morning I went MTBing. Felt totally fine for the first 20 minutes, which included a short climb. We were riding pretty hard. On the descent I dropped the seatpost and was in a crouch for maybe a minute. Coming out of the crouch both quads cramped up to where I couldn't pedal. Any contraction of the muscle was intolerable. Both quads, on the meat of the muscle, both inside and outside. No pain at all when not contracted.
I limped back to the car, took a couple Aleve, drank a bunch of water. Two hours later I am still walking like a cowboy. Doesn't feel like an injury - not localized enough, no pain at all when not contracted, and pain disappeared completely Sunday and Monday evening. It feels like bad cramps, but with no real physical cause. I'm wondering if maybe it's an illness presenting itself. I guess I'll stay off the bike for a day or two. Bleh.
12-15-15, 01:08 PM
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I wouldn't trust a helicopter Doge had been anywhere near. Ultralight mercury skids and whatnot.
12-15-15, 01:17 PM
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yikes, heal up fast @hack and @globecanvas.
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12-15-15, 01:17 PM
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yikes, heal up fast @hack and @globecanvas.
12-15-15, 01:36 PM
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But at least you can comfort yourself with the fact that it's going to be a wet end of the year, so most of us are going to be on the trainer anyway.
12-15-15, 02:46 PM
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1.5 hr work commute @ 165 w
1.5 hr work commute @ 185-200 w
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12-15-15, 02:48 PM
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83' super mellow Z1 ride on the FG into work this morning.
12-15-15, 04:16 PM
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yikes, heal up fast @hack and @globecanvas.
12-15-15, 08:31 PM
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4 hours before work this morning in 40 degree temps. Got in around 45 minutes of 60ish rpm sweet spot on the hills, but I guess sweet spot is quite low at low cadence.
12-15-15, 10:01 PM
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ugh, got hit by a car riding home tonight. lady right hooked me across a lane of traffic. i'm mostly alright, just a concussion. going to take it easy for a few days though. need to do a more thorough check but the bike seems alright too (save for a small dent in the top tube...glad i was on my fg not my race bike), i think my body took the brunt of the impact. Helmet is cracked though.
12-15-15, 10:12 PM
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ugh, got hit by a car riding home tonight. lady right hooked me across a lane of traffic. i'm mostly alright, just a concussion. going to take it easy for a few days though. need to do a more thorough check but the bike seems alright too (save for a small dent in the top tube...glad i was on my fg not my race bike), i think my body took the brunt of the impact. Helmet is cracked though.
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12-15-15, 10:20 PM
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yeah i wasn't even going to go to the er until I got home, sat down, and started seeing stars/colors/etc. already told my boss i'm not making it in tomorrow.
12-15-15, 10:24 PM
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Or - how many Cat 2 15 year olds are there (you can look it up)? Trainer has trained two youth cyclists - only. Both became Cat 2s as 15 year olds (calendar) within a year of being Cat 4s.
12-15-15, 10:48 PM
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Somebody on here recently said that they thought skate skiing might improve bike fitness more than cycling does. I don't know about that, but I enjoy skiing a lot and I think it can be a quality workout.
I wear an HRM and estimate TSS from time in HR zones. I backcountry ski so it's hard to do intervals (if you think it's hard to keep the power on cycling downhill, try it skiing downhill) but I will do easy skis and hard skis. I consider it a similar workout to MTB.
3:30 is a long time. My longest ski last year was 2:45, which I did a couple times, once for 80 TSS and once for 180 TSS. The harder one covered twice as much ground as the easier one. I'm totally comfortable crediting 180 TSS for a ski hammerfest, pretty much all the same parts hurt afterwards that would have hurt after a similar effort on the bike. Maybe a bit more in the hips/abs.
I wear an HRM and estimate TSS from time in HR zones. I backcountry ski so it's hard to do intervals (if you think it's hard to keep the power on cycling downhill, try it skiing downhill) but I will do easy skis and hard skis. I consider it a similar workout to MTB.
3:30 is a long time. My longest ski last year was 2:45, which I did a couple times, once for 80 TSS and once for 180 TSS. The harder one covered twice as much ground as the easier one. I'm totally comfortable crediting 180 TSS for a ski hammerfest, pretty much all the same parts hurt afterwards that would have hurt after a similar effort on the bike. Maybe a bit more in the hips/abs.
Fatigue is fatigue. Tired impacts the ability to do anything. Nuance, art, and some guesswork. It's one of those things that drives the science people who think you must be able to quantify everything bat**** crazy.
12-15-15, 10:55 PM
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It'll be raining the whole time anyway. You'd probably crash and break a collarbone or something if you were able to ride. And the eastern euros would pressurize underground WW2 air raid bunkers and do 4 hours on trainers staring at concrete while having their families threatened. So HTFU. And get well.
12-15-15, 11:03 PM
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It'll be raining the whole time anyway. You'd probably crash and break a collarbone or something if you were able to ride. And the eastern euros would pressurize underground WW2 air raid bunkers and do 4 hours on trainers staring at concrete while having their families threatened. So HTFU. And get well.
