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Old 12-06-22, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Thank you kindly for the tips.

Start with a stand! beats fumbling like I do. Hell, and old fork set in a bucket of sand would work.

I did watch the YouTube videos and did the 2 day process. but, instead of ruining a quality paint brush, and it was too late to hit dollar tree for sponge brushes, I placed a rubber glove on my hand and basically finger painted.

Excess on the rim wasn't an issue, a dab of paint remover took it off. The tire, even though mostly inflated was a different scenario. It got sloppy.

I will take your words to heed and start properly prepared.
Yes! And the best stands are the el-cheapos made of stock steel flatbar and shapes. Those bent flatbar feet? Perfect to stand on. Start the stretch of the tire onto the rim with the valve down, hands on the tire a foot or so away. Now the lift and stretch is easy. In fact so easy I have to be careful not to pull too hard and narrow down the valve area of the tire.

And trick - unless you just pulled this tire off its stretching rim, re-mount it onto a dry rim. NOw you know how tightit is and how hard you should pull.
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All done, no muss, no fuss. For posterity, I took some pics:













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I hope you left a small untaped section directly across from the valve. I makes removal much easier.
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Originally Posted by CV-6

I hope you left a small untaped section directly across from the valve...
Nope, not this time. But I did order a pair of blue-anodized valve caps, and they'll be joined by a set of blue-anodized chainring bolts, because this bike needed just a smidgen more bling

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
All done, no muss, no fuss. For posterity, I took some pics:













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Nice photos! Did you have trouble with the paper backing strip tearing off as you pulled on it? If so, any tips?
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Originally Posted by panzerwagon

Nice photos! Did you have trouble with the paper backing strip tearing off as you pulled on it? If so, any tips?
Thanks!

The Jantex tape has a plastic backing film, but it is also somewhat flimsy. Once, while removing when I had the tires up to 100psi or more, it tore. Had to wrestle the tire off in the area of the tear (which wasn't easy, even though I'd only taped it on minutes before) to retrieve the torn end, then slowly pulled, with greatly reduced tire pressure, the remainder out. Was a bit of a challenge getting the tire perfectly straight in that section, but I got close enough.

Now, I only put in about 30psi, to get the tire into shape, and to aid in the seating process. I pull one tab of backing film a couple feet, then do the same with the other, alternating until one meets the other. By the time you remove the film, you will have aligned your tires as best as possible, so when it's all out, pump the tire up to the desired pressure, let sit 24 hours.

That's always worked for me. I'll know around noon tomorrow if I got it right again.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
This is good news - in particular, the praises sung regarding the ribbed portion of the tread. Hand on heart, I was never a fan of the look, particularly the straight-up Corsas with grooves across the entire width. But this one, with the herringbone tread edges, is a nice mixture of the two. The channels have me wondering if they'll be magnets for little pieces to get stuck in, so at the conclusion of each ride I'll religiously look closely at this feature. Hearing your experience with the tread has me looking forward to the ride, and I'm going to run without sealant until the same happens to me, then give it a go since you've proved that to be an option. Plus, I have a free spare to pop on in any case

But, really, the main takeaway in handling/mounting them was that they are very well-made, and although they don't seem to weigh all that much, they feel substantial. Does that make sense?

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And therein lies the rub, light AND substantial, quality and at the same time up to the task, the magical traits that ruled the markets for decades.

Yes, quality, robustness, etc can always be felt to some degree, especially when you have been around as long as we have.

So many things now days come out of a trusted box or package only to find they have mucked up the mix, your heart sinks and you instantly know another reliable, long trusted and revered product will never be the same.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Nope, not this time. But I did order a pair of blue-anodized valve caps, and they'll be joined by a set of blue-anodized chainring bolts, because this bike needed just a smidgen more bling

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Nice! That frame color, with the jockey wheels, and the bar end plugs, and the rims...I dig it, Dude!
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Thanks!

The Jantex tape has a plastic backing film, but it is also somewhat flimsy. Once, while removing when I had the tires up to 100psi or more, it tore. Had to wrestle the tire off in the area of the tear (which wasn't easy, even though I'd only taped it on minutes before) to retrieve the torn end, then slowly pulled, with greatly reduced tire pressure, the remainder out. Was a bit of a challenge getting the tire perfectly straight in that section, but I got close enough.

Now, I only put in about 30psi, to get the tire into shape, and to aid in the seating process. I pull one tab of backing film a couple feet, then do the same with the other, alternating until one meets the other. By the time you remove the film, you will have aligned your tires as best as possible, so when it's all out, pump the tire up to the desired pressure, let sit 24 hours.

That's always worked for me. I'll know around noon tomorrow if I got it right again.

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what is your experience with pull a flat off with tape. First tubulars I did were the inexpensive tufo and use tufo tape..... when I went to pull the tire off a lot of it came off with the tape. so I have being gluing since (vitorria glue)

and for others i know a lot that ther are many that like the effroto (sic) tape... same question

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Originally Posted by squirtdad

What is your experience with pulling a flat off with tape?
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My experience pulling flats off is limited to the two Gommitalia tires I removed a couple weeks ago, after the rear blew out - and I decided to find some modern, new stuff. Both tires came off easily enough once I deflated them most of the way; in my case, the rim tape remained on the rim, so I just had to peel it off once the tires were removed.

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In my experience whatever glue protocol you follow as to how many coats and drying time, the key to not having a sloppy mess is to make sure the glue on the tire has cured for good while (think 30-60 mins) before you install on a rim with just applied fresh glue.

i generally use two coats of glue on the rim and one on the tire. When I used to use more, excess glue tended to squirm out and discolor the gum walls.
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
what is your experience with pull a flat off with tape. First tubulars I did were the inexpensive tufo and use tufo tape..... when I went to pull the tire off a lot of it came off with the tape. so I have being gluing since (vitorria glue)

and for others i know a lot that ther are many that like the effroto (sic) tape... same question

thx

I use Miyata rim tape. My first experience left the tape on the rim. And it was difficult to remove the tire. Second left some on rim, some on tire. Mounted spare and rode home at a slightly lower pace. I now carry a piece of plastic with new tape wrapped on it and a knife to cut it. I leave a segment of rim directly opposite the valve hole untaped. Makes removal a bit easier.
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good day fella's: love the thread on tubulars!! I for one have been loving the recent revival for me of my love of tubulars as everyone is jumping on the tubeless train and forsaking their tubulars and selling them like they are junk, which we all know they are quality tyres. Nonetheless, they are all over and very reasonable prices given the quality, and the argument that tubies are so messy..doesn't wash when your on the roadside fixing a tubeless mess of a flat.

Nonetheless gentleman, my question is i use a 1 inch paint brush when regluing tyres and hate throwing the brush away after use, do any of your reuse your brushes and if so what do you do to preserve them?? soaking in mineral spirits or what?? I am not sure what to do but would love to hear advice

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good day fella's: love the thread on tubulars!! I for one have been loving the recent revival for me of my love of tubulars as everyone is jumping on the tubeless train and forsaking their tubulars and selling them like they are junk, which we all know they are quality tyres. Nonetheless, they are all over and very reasonable prices given the quality, and the argument that tubies are so messy..doesn't wash when your on the roadside fixing a tubeless mess of a flat.

Nonetheless gentleman, my question is i use a 1 inch paint brush when regluing tyres and hate throwing the brush away after use, do any of your reuse your brushes and if so what do you do to preserve them?? soaking in mineral spirits or what?? I am not sure what to do but would love to hear advice

thanks!!
I like using these acid brushes - they're too cheap to bother trying to re-use... $10 for probably a lifetime supply.
The mineral spirits to preserve them probably costs more than they're worth, even if it worked.


Before brushes I used the "baggie on finger" method... didn't try to preserve the baggies either.
I also have a syringe thing that works great for filling in gaps.


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I've been using toilet paper cardboard tubes that distort nicely to the rim radius. (Or a little more radius so the glue squeezes toward the edges where I really want it. Clean, no cleanup and reusable. Now, that acid brush approach looks attractive. Better control of amounts and thicknesses.

DiabloScott, can that syringe be used later for additional tires? And if so, how do you store it and keep it working? Any neat tricks?
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DiabloScott, can that syringe be used later for additional tires? And if so, how do you store it and keep it working? Any neat tricks?
Yeah, but they're cheap and disposable too; both for touching up new glue jobs, and refreshing old glue jobs - not hard to use at all.

It came with a bunch of different "needles" - they sell these things to crafters who glue rhinestones onto shirts and stuff.

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I like using these acid brushes - they're too cheap to bother trying to re-use... $10 for probably a lifetime supply.
The mineral spirits to preserve them probably costs more than they're worth, even if it worked.


Before brushes I used the "baggie on finger" method... didn't try to preserve the baggies either.
I also have a syringe thing that works great for filling in gaps.

where did you find the acid brushes?? Hobby Lobby?? Great idea!
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I purchase acid brushes at Harbor Freight.

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I use acetone to lean those cheap flux brushes well enough to reuse.
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As someone said earlier, using your index finger in a baggie works best—more specifically: in a finger sock cut from a latex glove’s fingers (each glove provides multiple uses) works super simple with no muss at all.

Gluing can be mess free, unless you spread glue too thick or all over.
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I came across a trove of these tires.

They had them in a $15 close out bin. But, are they any good?

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^^^^ Kinda skinny, but should work well as spares, if nothing else. Any hint of a copyright date on the packaging to estimate age?
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^^^^^^^^ What is the TPI?
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A couple of questions on tubulars. Got a nice set of tubulars wheels from eBay.Fr, and purchased some of the Kendra Veloflex tubs, 28’s. Riding the other day, 94 lbs in rear tire, and 4 miles from home, ka pow, and the rear tire blew out. Had Effetto sealant, too large a puncture, though. Bad luck, too much pressure, or what. Could I use the Vittoria universal sealant, supposed to do 7mm holes, and fix it?
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Originally Posted by santa fe 2926
4 miles from home, ka pow, and the rear tire blew out. Had Effetto sealant, too large a puncture, though. Bad luck, too much pressure, or what. Could I use the Vittoria universal sealant, supposed to do 7mm holes, and fix it?
KaPow means the tube bubbled out of the slit before it popped - not a simple puncture where the tread and tube get cut at the same time.
Certainly not caused by too much pressure. Possibly some torn threads in the casing - or brittle threads if it's an old tire.
So you've probably got a pretty good gash in the rubber, and a pretty big rupture in the tube.
Probability of fixing this with sealant I'd put at about 1%.
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