1969 Paramount questions and build thread
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1969 Paramount questions and build thread
I picked this up earlier this week after seeing it on the eBay CL thread. It was advertised as an early 70’s paramount.
serial number of K942. Based on the Waterford guide I think it’s from October of 1969. Am i interpreting this correctly or could it be something else?
Would this have come with Nouvo Tipo hubs and 27” Fiamme rims?
is there a way to tell what model Paramount this is?
serial number of K942. Based on the Waterford guide I think it’s from October of 1969. Am i interpreting this correctly or could it be something else?
Would this have come with Nouvo Tipo hubs and 27” Fiamme rims?
is there a way to tell what model Paramount this is?
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congratulations on the new arrival...looking good...luv the colour
have never heard of any model of Paramount of any year coming with NT hubs or FIAMME wired-on rims
the curved lever QR skewers that are in there did not exist in 1969
pedals are Sheffield Nr. 655 which also came on no Paramount of any year
that pesky Acer-Mex has now taken the place of the Guerc as an explosives specialist
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congratulations on the new arrival...looking good...luv the colour
have never heard of any model of Paramount of any year coming with NT hubs or FIAMME wired-on rims
the curved lever QR skewers that are in there did not exist in 1969
pedals are Sheffield Nr. 655 which also came on no Paramount of any year
that pesky Acer-Mex has now taken the place of the Guerc as an explosives specialist
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congratulations on the new arrival...looking good...luv the colour
have never heard of any model of Paramount of any year coming with NT hubs or FIAMME wired-on rims
the curved lever QR skewers that are in there did not exist in 1969
pedals are Sheffield Nr. 655 which also came on no Paramount of any year
that pesky Acer-Mex has now taken the place of the Guerc as an explosives specialist
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congratulations on the new arrival...looking good...luv the colour
have never heard of any model of Paramount of any year coming with NT hubs or FIAMME wired-on rims
the curved lever QR skewers that are in there did not exist in 1969
pedals are Sheffield Nr. 655 which also came on no Paramount of any year
that pesky Acer-Mex has now taken the place of the Guerc as an explosives specialist
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I figured the NT hubs didn’t belong, but they are close to period correct (as opposed to the cyclone RD).
I’m thinking only the top tube cable clamps, headset, bottom bracket and crank arms are original.
I’m going to try some 700c wheels with HF NR hubs I have. It feels like it should be a full NR build. I’ll finish up a quick build from supplies on hand as I figure out what to do long term.
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The different lugs (begin with a Pr.....) point to 1969 as the correct date. P-13 is most likely the model number.
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Really nice find. I am curious to see what you do with it. I like the idea of a full NR build , in particular the wheel/ hub choice. From what I have seen , these earlier Paramounts were sometimes built up with a mix of components . Maybe folks would change them up somewhere after purchase. Also, how did the ride go on that orange bike?
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Regarding the rear derailleur, you'll have to weigh function against form. As the owner of several specimens of each, I can easily vouch for SunTour slant planograph derailleurs as out-shifting their NR counterparts. Having said that, I have retained the OEM NR derailleurs on my Bianchi, just because they look right and do the job reasonably well.
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Very nice find. I have a '68 Schwinn Paramount that I have not yet rebuilt but it did come to me with the original parts. It was set up as a tourist though with flat bars.
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So I did a wick build from the parts bin. The handlebars are 38’s and Cinelli criteriums (the last set of drop bars I have). The bars will need to be replaced but they allowed me to do a short ride.
I put some wheels NR HF hubs and some clincher rigida rims. The brake reach is borderline but works. I’ll file the slots later.
The rest of the build is NR except for the SR RD.
I’ll need to ride it a lot more but first impressions were great.
I put some wheels NR HF hubs and some clincher rigida rims. The brake reach is borderline but works. I’ll file the slots later.
The rest of the build is NR except for the SR RD.
I’ll need to ride it a lot more but first impressions were great.
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ride - would expect it to be somewhat more forgiving than the A-M
frame might be a few grams lighter as well...
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ride - would expect it to be somewhat more forgiving than the A-M
frame might be a few grams lighter as well...
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Yes, very different rides. To compound the differences the Windsor is on my limit on the small size and the Paramount is right at my top end. In addition I had my lightest racing wheels (with high end Vitoria tubulars) on the Windsor and did the test ride on the paramount with the Nouvo Tipo wheelset with non racing tires. I have the NR wheels on now with GP 5000 tires. I’m hoping to get a ride in this week around work and travel.
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Yes, very different rides. To compound the differences the Windsor is on my limit on the small size and the Paramount is right at my top end. In addition I had my lightest racing wheels (with high end Vitoria tubulars) on the Windsor and did the test ride on the paramount with the Nouvo Tipo wheelset with non racing tires. I have the NR wheels on now with GP 5000 tires. I’m hoping to get a ride in this week around work and travel.
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I'm working on the next iteration of the build. I'd like to build it up to pretty close to what it would have been back in '69. I have some 3TTT 40's on it (pulled off the Windsor I posted before), much better! I'm hoping to replace the SR RD with a NR and start working on polishing the crank. I'm thinking of a half-step, with the cranks and chainrings polished. I'll also be switching out the brake calipers to NR this week.
As I was working in the garage today I noticed the seat clamp was pretty "pinched" and measured the seat post. It came in as 26.8. I was thinking that this should be 27.2. Can anyone with a similar era Paramount let me know their seat post size? I know I can "try" a 27.0 and a 27.2 but it seems better to know the right size before I try fitting the seat post.
As I was working in the garage today I noticed the seat clamp was pretty "pinched" and measured the seat post. It came in as 26.8. I was thinking that this should be 27.2. Can anyone with a similar era Paramount let me know their seat post size? I know I can "try" a 27.0 and a 27.2 but it seems better to know the right size before I try fitting the seat post.
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build note -
forgot to mention above...
if you are going to go NR it would likely be best to go with Weinmann CP brakes
if you were going to go Campag you would have to go with "no names" to be correct which are big bucks
also you would definitely need a dropbolt for the rear...perhaps even a custom one
Cinelli 1A had launched by this date so that would be a stem/bar option if wished
bottom bracket assembly should be Record rather than NR
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build note -
forgot to mention above...
if you are going to go NR it would likely be best to go with Weinmann CP brakes
if you were going to go Campag you would have to go with "no names" to be correct which are big bucks
also you would definitely need a dropbolt for the rear...perhaps even a custom one
Cinelli 1A had launched by this date so that would be a stem/bar option if wished
bottom bracket assembly should be Record rather than NR
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build note -
forgot to mention above...
if you are going to go NR it would likely be best to go with Weinmann CP brakes
if you were going to go Campag you would have to go with "no names" to be correct which are big bucks
also you would definitely need a dropbolt for the rear...perhaps even a custom one
Cinelli 1A had launched by this date so that would be a stem/bar option if wished
bottom bracket assembly should be Record rather than NR
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build note -
forgot to mention above...
if you are going to go NR it would likely be best to go with Weinmann CP brakes
if you were going to go Campag you would have to go with "no names" to be correct which are big bucks
also you would definitely need a dropbolt for the rear...perhaps even a custom one
Cinelli 1A had launched by this date so that would be a stem/bar option if wished
bottom bracket assembly should be Record rather than NR
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I do see it as a journey. My goal is to get it close and ride it. Then work toward the end state over time.
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No expert but the 72 my son has takes 27.2. also that suntour rear mech looks just fine to me. I have a Windsor pro and frame to frame the paramount is definitely lighter. Also with great clearance you have massive wheel and tire options. 700cx35 should fit easy but if course isn't necessary. That's a retirement bike. Just adjust the fit and riding position as you age!
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No expert but the 72 my son has takes 27.2. also that suntour rear mech looks just fine to me. I have a Windsor pro and frame to frame the paramount is definitely lighter. Also with great clearance you have massive wheel and tire options. 700cx35 should fit easy but if course isn't necessary. That's a retirement bike. Just adjust the fit and riding position as you age!
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build note addendum(b) -
stem/bar -
if you elect to go with 3TTT it would need to be Gran Prix as the Record did not launch until mid-'71
one option you may not have considered is Titan, they were original equipment on many Paramounts during the 1960's.
the Record front mech needs to be the first one without the housing stop; it is the generation which lacks the e-ring at the rear of the pivot post which keeps the cage assembly from working its way off the back of the post. of all the Record/NR front mech iterations this is probably the worst.
in case you elect to build tubular wheels for it at some point the OEM tubular rims at this time were Weinmann wood-filled with the national colours stripes label.
have good fun!
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build note addendum(b) -
stem/bar -
if you elect to go with 3TTT it would need to be Gran Prix as the Record did not launch until mid-'71
one option you may not have considered is Titan, they were original equipment on many Paramounts during the 1960's.
the Record front mech needs to be the first one without the housing stop; it is the generation which lacks the e-ring at the rear of the pivot post which keeps the cage assembly from working its way off the back of the post. of all the Record/NR front mech iterations this is probably the worst.
in case you elect to build tubular wheels for it at some point the OEM tubular rims at this time were Weinmann wood-filled with the national colours stripes label.
have good fun!
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'69 sounds right based on the head lugs, but wouldn't a '69 model originally have had cable guides brazed on the top tube for the rear brake cable?
I thought that those didn't go away on the P13 until ca. '72-'73 when the P13 was revamped and the old P13 became the P10.
I thought that those didn't go away on the P13 until ca. '72-'73 when the P13 was revamped and the old P13 became the P10.
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keep in mind they could be ordered however the customer wanted them
possible this example may be a bespoke one
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