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Old 06-29-21, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
What I posted wasn't a rant. It was a statement of fact, and it was free of the emotion that is normally associated with a rant. I remember scoffing at Shimano's first crack at BioPace chainrings. People thought I was "yelling at clouds" then too. Nope. I didn't see them as an improvement or an upgrade. I was right. Come to think of it, I haven't read very much at all about creaky square taper English threaded bottom brackets. And somehow I have never blown a turn with mountain bike bars that are less than 3 feet wide either. Marketers convince people that the latest iteration of something is a great improvement, and that keeps the industry turning. I fully support that. I support it while staying grounded in reality. <---- That's not a rant.
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Old 06-29-21, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
What I posted wasn't a rant. It was a statement of fact, and it was free of the emotion that is normally associated with a rant. I remember scoffing at Shimano's first crack at BioPace chainrings. People thought I was "yelling at clouds" then too. Nope. I didn't see them as an improvement or an upgrade. I was right. Come to think of it, I haven't read very much at all about creaky square taper English threaded bottom brackets. And somehow I have never blown a turn with mountain bike bars that are less than 3 feet wide either. Marketers convince people that the latest iteration of something is a great improvement, and that keeps the industry turning. I fully support that. I support it while staying grounded in reality. <---- That's not a rant.
I searched but didn't see your post about the safety bicycle,,. who needs more than a good penny-farthing anyway?
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Old 06-29-21, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kahn
Like I said, until three months ago, I did not know about through axles. They apparently help avoid the issue of whether the wheel is truly centered between rim brake pads or with the more exacting disc brakes (which my new bike also has).
I thought through axles were to address a liability issue. It seems that if you apply a front disc brake hard enough it can pull the axle out of the dropout, even if it's properly tightened. One reason for the pros pushing back on discs was that they made it too hard to swap wheels. You know, to one with a motor in the hub...
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
I thought through axles were to address a liability issue. It seems that if you apply a front disc brake hard enough it can pull the axle out of the dropout, even if it's properly tightened. One reason for the pros pushing back on discs was that they made it too hard to swap wheels. You know, to one with a motor in the hub...
So, if I'm using rim brakes then there is no reason to use the thru-axles....correct?
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Old 06-29-21, 02:30 PM
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I just learned to turn off that "infinite scroll" option. That was frustrating...
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Old 06-29-21, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
That’s who can afford it. Young people starting out a career or a family don’t have the money.

Well, things are generally marketed to those who can afford it and want it, so it's pretty safe to say that this isn't the generational war against the new that people are portraying here.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
Yeah, kind of realizing that. Maybe technology peaked a few years ago.
Now it's all incremental change.

Or maybe excremental.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
After the 173rd time of seeing that, it's still as much of a yawn as it was the first.
Old man yells at meme?
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Originally Posted by Troul
tires seem to = tyres.

It can get exhausting keeping up to speed on that one.
Tyred? Already?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Old man yells at meme?
That was funny! Nicely done.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
That was funny! Nicely done.
Thanks! I'm here all week! Try the veal, and remember to tip your server!
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
What I posted wasn't a rant. It was a statement of fact, and it was free of the emotion that is normally associated with a rant. I remember scoffing at Shimano's first crack at BioPace chainrings. People thought I was "yelling at clouds" then too. Nope. I didn't see them as an improvement or an upgrade. I was right. Come to think of it, I haven't read very much at all about creaky square taper English threaded bottom brackets. And somehow I have never blown a turn with mountain bike bars that are less than 3 feet wide either. Marketers convince people that the latest iteration of something is a great improvement, and that keeps the industry turning. I fully support that. I support it while staying grounded in reality. <---- That's not a rant.

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You need to get a a gravel bike, cross bike, a bikepacking bike, a touring bike, an urban bikepacking bike, a rural touring bike, a commuter, and an all-road bike.

Plus, the newest and coolest thing in on bike storage is a dangle bong or mini bag...something like that (you get one of these if your bike smokes weed).
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Old 06-29-21, 03:18 PM
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Does anyone really think bikes are that much more advanced than they were 30 years ago?

Manufacturing processes have evolved, but working on the bikes themselves are pretty much the same.

The only time I had to break out different tools was the brief time I owned a couple of 70's vintage Schwinns. Had to trade the metric allen wrenches for a 3/8 inch open end wrench. That took some searching. I use the same tools on my 1982 Bianchi that I use on my 2018 gravel bike. I did need to buy a bottom bracket tool for the gravel bike, but really no different than a freewheel tool for the Schwinns.

And through axles rock. Makes for a much more solid bike. Bike manufactures must hate them since they are actually more work to build.
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
Manufacturing processes have evolved, but working on the bikes themselves are pretty much the same.
Pick up a few shifts in the shop and then tell us about how bleeding hydraulic brakes, rebuilding shocks, truing disc rotors, converting to tubeless, press-fitting bottom brackets, routing internal cables, and setting up electronic shifting is "pretty much the same" as working on your 70s Schwinn and 1982 Bianchi.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
So, if I'm using rim brakes then there is no reason to use the thru-axles....correct?
I doubt you'll find a rim brake bike with thru axles. No need to worry about them until you buy a new bike.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
Not sure what that is.
One of the reasons for through axles was the rise of disc brakes, and the forces involved allowing the possibility of a QR axle to be forced out of the drop out.

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Originally Posted by pgjackson
So, if I'm using rim brakes then there is no reason to use the thru-axles....correct?
Other than if you want to get new wheels it's getting harder to find QR hubs and rim brake rims.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Pick up a few shifts in the shop and then tell us about how bleeding hydraulic brakes, rebuilding shocks, truing disc rotors, converting to tubeless, press-fitting bottom brackets, routing internal cables, and setting up electronic shifting is "pretty much the same" as working on your 70s Schwinn and 1982 Bianchi.
I've done everything on your list with the exception of press fitting bottom brackets and electronic shifting simply because I've never encountered either.

Perhaps when I'm done working in your shop you can come to mine and help program radars.

I sure find threadless headsets, hollowtech bottom brackets and mechanical discs much easier to work on than the older stuff. In all honesty setting the brakes on the old Schwinns was a challenge because one needed a wrench in both hand to lock down the cable lock nuts. Allen head fasteners and captive hardware simplified everything.
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Originally Posted by dedhed
One of the reasons for through axles was the rise of disc brakes, and the forces involved allowing the possibility of a QR axle to be forced out of the drop out.

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I've heard that happens only because manufactures persist in putting the brake calipers on the back sides of the front forks. If they put them on the front sides the braking force would pivot the axles into the forks rather than out of them.

Quick releases aren't as quick since they started putting lawyers lips on things. Now it is trial and error to get the tension right. Through axles are often quicker, cinch them down once and done.
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
I sure find threadless headsets, hollowtech bottom brackets and mechanical discs much easier to work on than the older stuff.
We aren't talking about what's easier or harder. You said:
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working on the bikes themselves are pretty much the same.
I'm sorry, but it aren't.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
We aren't talking about what's easier or harder. You said:

I'm sorry, but it aren't.
Gee, OK. Glad we cleared that up.
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Gee, OK. Glad we cleared that up.
Concession accepted.
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E-bikes are all over the roads and trails these days. And good ones cost about $5K
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