Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Totally Tubular

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Totally Tubular

Old 10-04-20, 07:15 AM
  #1801  
Classtime 
Senior Member
 
Classtime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,397

Bikes: 82 Medici, 2011 Richard Sachs, 2011 Milwaukee Road

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1318 Post(s)
Liked 806 Times in 506 Posts
Thanks (I think. Since it postpones n+1) for that. I just ordered 3 Roubaix for a future Eroica CA.
__________________
I don't do: disks, tubeless, e-shifting, or bead head nymphs.
Classtime is offline  
Old 10-11-20, 05:05 AM
  #1802  
smontanaro 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 4,966

Bikes: many

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1071 Post(s)
Liked 698 Times in 404 Posts
I have to replace the base tape on a couple tubular tires. It seems to me that the material is basically ¾-inch bias tape, likely available at most fabric stores. Are there other properties I'm missing? What sort of adhesive is used to attach it to the casing?
__________________
Contact me to help Doug Fattic's colleagues in Ukraine

smontanaro is offline  
Old 10-12-20, 02:30 PM
  #1803  
JJScaliger
Senior Member
 
JJScaliger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: RI
Posts: 748
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked 125 Times in 56 Posts
Merlin Cycles has Veloflex Vlaanderen on sale for $52.31
Thanks for that, I picked up a pair.
JJScaliger is offline  
Old 10-12-20, 04:24 PM
  #1804  
dddd
Ride, Wrench, Swap, Race
 
dddd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Northern California
Posts: 8,427

Bikes: Cheltenham-Pedersen racer, Boulder F/S Paris-Roubaix, Varsity racer, '52 Christophe, '62 Continental, '92 Merckx, '75 Limongi, '76 Presto, '72 Gitane SC, '71 Schwinn SS, etc.

Mentioned: 119 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1231 Post(s)
Liked 735 Times in 518 Posts
Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
I have to replace the base tape on a couple tubular tires. It seems to me that the material is basically ¾-inch bias tape, likely available at most fabric stores. Are there other properties I'm missing? What sort of adhesive is used to attach it to the casing?
Latex adhesive bonds the base tape to the tire casing.

Some tubulars have a molded casing/tread, which likely includes the base tape in the molding process.

I would note how much glue that different tape materials might tend to absorb. Some tires have a base tape already saturated with cured elastomer of some type, which cuts the amount of glue required (and greatly reduces drying time).
Gluing on a full length of base tape sounds like a lot of work. I have a new 22mm Sprinter tire with the tape falling off from age, even though it's been in a bag for at least as long as I've had it.

Last edited by dddd; 10-12-20 at 04:29 PM.
dddd is offline  
Old 10-13-20, 06:01 PM
  #1805  
obuckler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Dallas
Posts: 326

Bikes: 71 Lygie—72 Raleigh Grand Prix—76 Raleigh Super Course—76 Bruce Gordon—74 Raleigh International(2)—2005 Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 98 Post(s)
Liked 109 Times in 53 Posts
Originally Posted by L134 View Post
Merlin Cycles has Veloflex Vlaanderen on sale for $52.31. I thought they were out of production?? Veloflex website doesn't show them. $27 shipping to US a drag but I ordered 3 so $61/per tire still not bad. I think your order has to get somewhere north of $300 for free shipping to US.
I also ordered some (4). They got here in TWO days. Fastest ever delivery for me from any overseas vendor. Thanks for the tip. I had quit looking (my favorite tubular).
obuckler is offline  
Old 10-13-20, 06:33 PM
  #1806  
L134 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: San Diego
Posts: 513

Bikes: 1978 Bruce Gordon, 1977 Lippy, 199? Lippy tandem, Bike Friday NWT, 1982 Trek 720, 2012 Rivendell Atlantis, 1983 Bianchi Specialissima?

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 245 Post(s)
Liked 69 Times in 44 Posts
Originally Posted by obuckler View Post
I also ordered some (4). They got here in TWO days. Fastest ever delivery for me from any overseas vendor. Thanks for the tip. I had quit looking (my favorite tubular).
I know, two days is faster than most domestic shippers! My favorite tire as well.
L134 is offline  
Old 10-14-20, 09:57 AM
  #1807  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 11,894

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3204 Post(s)
Liked 2,780 Times in 1,408 Posts
hey hey hey
stop the Merlin talk.about tubular tires

Two weeks ago, I ordered a bunch of tires and the site (in a red banner) said I couldn't order because of quantity. Only ordered 1 or 2 of each tire.
So I emailed customer service - got an auto reply of CoVid restrictions.


Just did the same again with a new order. Same banner

What's up with you guys being able to buy???
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-14-20, 11:55 AM
  #1808  
obuckler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Dallas
Posts: 326

Bikes: 71 Lygie—72 Raleigh Grand Prix—76 Raleigh Super Course—76 Bruce Gordon—74 Raleigh International(2)—2005 Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 98 Post(s)
Liked 109 Times in 53 Posts
Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
hey hey hey
stop the Merlin talk.about tubular tires

Two weeks ago, I ordered a bunch of tires and the site (in a red banner) said I couldn't order because of quantity. Only ordered 1 or 2 of each tire.
So I emailed customer service - got an auto reply of CoVid restrictions.


Just did the same again with a new order. Same banner

What's up with you guys being able to buy???
I would try again ... I just put one in a basket and went to check out and changed the quantity to 2 and it seem to work fine. Went all the way to pay now.
obuckler is offline  
Old 10-14-20, 01:26 PM
  #1809  
RobbieTunes 
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,389 Times in 898 Posts
Perhaps Off Topic, but my tubular rims run from basic old-school to deeper carbon.
The newer stuff is deeper and uses valve extensions. I use the replaceable core type.
However, they still leak. Even with Teflon tape.

Most leaky: Zipp Tangente
Least leaky: Tufo Carbon Composite

Any suggestions out there?
__________________

BLDMAMTAOLD


RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 10-14-20, 02:17 PM
  #1810  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 11,894

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3204 Post(s)
Liked 2,780 Times in 1,408 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Perhaps Off Topic, but my tubular rims run from basic old-school to deeper carbon.
The newer stuff is deeper and uses valve extensions. I use the replaceable core type.
However, they still leak. Even with Teflon tape.

Most leaky: Zipp Tangente
Least leaky: Tufo Carbon Composite

Any suggestions out there?

Not off topic at all.

Sorry, i have no firsthand with valve extensions on deep aero wheels, but since all valve cores should be the same on new tires, a good Pro shop's recommendation would apply across tire brands.

Good topic.
note: my quick search yielded lots of ads, but nothing i would consider adequate info or reviews for current product.

Wow. If valve core won't seal with tape, something sounds amiss.
Maybe my presumption that all new valve cores are the same is not accurate. We are just talking road tires, presta valves.
I've only ever had one valve core problem on a new tubular tire - across maybe 35 sets of tubies over the years (eh, not all were new).
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-14-20, 02:41 PM
  #1811  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 11,894

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 261 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3204 Post(s)
Liked 2,780 Times in 1,408 Posts
Regarding my order with Merlin UK --
It was a quantity 2 on the Veloflex Roubaix that bonked the earlier order. somehow it ended up being a hassle. Maybe I'm dumb. But I did finally get another set of Vlaanderen and 1 Roubaix. Also gonna try the Conti5000 clincher, too.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-16-20, 10:09 PM
  #1812  
woodcraft
Senior Member
 
woodcraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 6,015
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1813 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 919 Times in 567 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Perhaps Off Topic, but my tubular rims run from basic old-school to deeper carbon.
The newer stuff is deeper and uses valve extensions. I use the replaceable core type.
However, they still leak. Even with Teflon tape.

Most leaky: Zipp Tangente
Least leaky: Tufo Carbon Composite

Any suggestions out there?

Try some different extensions? More wraps of teflon tape. Use two pliers to make sure that the extension is on tight.

I assume that the problem is the extension onto the stem, and not the valve core.
woodcraft is offline  
Old 10-17-20, 04:59 AM
  #1813  
smontanaro 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 4,966

Bikes: many

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1071 Post(s)
Liked 698 Times in 404 Posts
I have a problem similar to RobbieTunes, but no deep carbon rims are involved. I have a pair of Clement Futurα tires mounted to some AVA rims. The rims are shallow box rims, but, Jiminy Crickets (avoiding BF censors here - you know how I really want to express myself) the valve stems are the shortest I've ever encountered. I can pump the tires with my Zefal HP (locking chuck) but not with the Silca chuck on my Park floor pump (relies on the full engagement possible with a longer stem). I know I should probably just spring for a new locking chuck (Hirame?) but the current chuck also rather clumsily does schrader when I need it.

Unless I've gone completely blind, I believe these tires have removable valve cores. What are the shortest valve stem extenders I can get?

__________________
Contact me to help Doug Fattic's colleagues in Ukraine

smontanaro is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 12:32 PM
  #1814  
seedsbelize 
smelling the roses
 
seedsbelize's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tixkokob, Yucatán, México
Posts: 15,428

Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe (coupled), 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7079 Post(s)
Liked 894 Times in 609 Posts

I plan to clean up the edges with steel wool, but am unsure of my plans for the old glue, of unknown age. Is that too much residue to move forward with?
__________________
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Auto-pause is a honey-tongued devil whispering sweet lies in your ear.


seedsbelize is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 04:41 PM
  #1815  
obrentharris 
Senior Member
 
obrentharris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Point Reyes Station, California
Posts: 3,897

Bikes: Indeed!

Mentioned: 80 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1158 Post(s)
Liked 2,027 Times in 681 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post

I plan to clean up the edges with steel wool, but am unsure of my plans for the old glue, of unknown age. Is that too much residue to move forward with?
That's a fine surface. I wouldn't think twice about gluing over that.
Brent
obrentharris is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 04:50 PM
  #1816  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,569

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3468 Post(s)
Liked 1,810 Times in 980 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post
Is that too much residue to move forward with?
Nope. Think of it as "primer".

I did some maintenance yesterday. Tires were fine but the glue looked sub-optimum so I did a refresh using the craft syringe method.

Sub optimum old glue

Craft syringe method

Refreshed and sticky.

Bar tape matches tires FTW!
DiabloScott is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 05:25 PM
  #1817  
seedsbelize 
smelling the roses
 
seedsbelize's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tixkokob, Yucatán, México
Posts: 15,428

Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe (coupled), 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7079 Post(s)
Liked 894 Times in 609 Posts
Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
That's a fine surface. I wouldn't think twice about gluing over that.
Brent
__________________
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Auto-pause is a honey-tongued devil whispering sweet lies in your ear.


seedsbelize is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 05:29 PM
  #1818  
Classtime 
Senior Member
 
Classtime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,397

Bikes: 82 Medici, 2011 Richard Sachs, 2011 Milwaukee Road

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1318 Post(s)
Liked 806 Times in 506 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post
I plan to clean up the edges with steel wool, but am unsure of my plans for the old glue, of unknown age. Is that too much residue to move forward with?
If that wheel came to me like that, I'd clean it off and start fresh for my own use. If I was replacing a tire that I had glued on that wheel, I'd leave it.
__________________
I don't do: disks, tubeless, e-shifting, or bead head nymphs.
Classtime is offline  
Old 10-18-20, 10:29 PM
  #1819  
squirtdad
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 8,501

Bikes: 85 team Miyata (modern 5800 105) , '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1738 Post(s)
Liked 1,364 Times in 828 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post

I plan to clean up the edges with steel wool, but am unsure of my plans for the old glue, of unknown age. Is that too much residue to move forward with?
brass wire brush wheel on drill is fast and safe
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light 56,57 or so)

squirtdad is offline  
Old 10-19-20, 11:45 AM
  #1820  
squirtdad
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 8,501

Bikes: 85 team Miyata (modern 5800 105) , '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1738 Post(s)
Liked 1,364 Times in 828 Posts
here is what 30mm Vittoria corsa control look like with 5800 105 brakes (spec is 28mm max) on 85 team miyata

__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light 56,57 or so)

squirtdad is offline  
Likes For squirtdad:
Old 10-19-20, 11:46 AM
  #1821  
squirtdad
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 8,501

Bikes: 85 team Miyata (modern 5800 105) , '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1738 Post(s)
Liked 1,364 Times in 828 Posts
jannd tubular bag....says it holds 2 but tight fit with the 30mm Vittoria Corsa Control

__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light 56,57 or so)

squirtdad is offline  
Old 10-19-20, 01:05 PM
  #1822  
CV-6 
If I own it, I ride it
 
CV-6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cardinal Country
Posts: 5,456

Bikes: Lejeune(14), Raleigh, Raysport, Jan De Reus, Gazelle, Masi, B. Carré(4), Springfield, Motobecane(2), Greg Lemond, Andre Bertin, Schwinn Paramount

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 547 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 504 Times in 244 Posts
Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
jannd tubular bag....says it holds 2 but tight fit with the 30mm Vittoria Corsa Control
I would like to know how you got two tubulars in that bag. I can barely get one in and often do not close it.
__________________
Please do not "like" my posts. This isn't Facebook.

Lynn Travers

Photos

CV-6 is offline  
Old 10-19-20, 01:14 PM
  #1823  
squirtdad
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 8,501

Bikes: 85 team Miyata (modern 5800 105) , '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1738 Post(s)
Liked 1,364 Times in 828 Posts
Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
I would like to know how you got two tubulars in that bag. I can barely get one in and often do not close it.
LOL didn't mean to confuse.... I got one 30mm in.....and it is a tight fit with in the bag a multitool, patch kit (good samariatn) lever and bag of caffelatex
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light 56,57 or so)

squirtdad is offline  
Old 10-19-20, 01:16 PM
  #1824  
79pmooney
A Roadie Forever
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 10,567

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3476 Post(s)
Liked 2,249 Times in 1,459 Posts
Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
I would like to know how you got two tubulars in that bag. I can barely get one in and often do not close it.
Do you make a neat fold of your tires? I'd think two neatly folded tires secured with a toestrap around both wouldn't be too hard to get in and zip up. (There was a thread not too long ago on neatly folded tires. I know DiabloScott posted a photo of his.)
79pmooney is offline  
Old 10-19-20, 01:23 PM
  #1825  
smontanaro 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 4,966

Bikes: many

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1071 Post(s)
Liked 698 Times in 404 Posts
^^^^^^ If you're doing to carry two sew-ups, I think one of them must be carried in the traditional style.

__________________
Contact me to help Doug Fattic's colleagues in Ukraine

smontanaro is offline  
Likes For smontanaro:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.