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Decent truing stand
Picked up a fairly decent, relatively inexpensive wheel truing stand off eBay from a company called West Biking. It’s Chinese of course, and in a triumph of language translation, they call it a “Ring Station.”
Notwithstanding that wonderful bit of Chinglish, the stand is actually pretty nice. It’s almost all metal, with the arms being beefy aluminum with a welded aluminum base. The arms can be spread symmetrically using a single knob, a’la Park. The base includes separately attached steel brackets so the unit can be mounted to a bench, but are wide enough to give it stability when used unmounted.
The truing feelers are mounted to an aluminum arm that moves on a friction pivot. They do not move symmetrically, but independent of each other, unlike the Park, which means you may need to also use a separate dishing tool.
The unit also includes a dial feeler gauge, which, while a neat touch, isn’t really necessary. Also included is an Allen wrench to adjust the base, a couple cheap open end wrenches, and even a circular spoke wrench with multiple sizes.
All in all, I’m pretty impressed. It looks good and the build quality seems excellent. Even the aluminum welds look good. It’s of course not a professional tool like the Park, but it’s plenty good enough for home use, and maybe more. Much nicer than the foldable tubular steel ones available everywhere.
Picked mine up for $100 plus free shipping. You might be able to find it even cheaper.
West Biking Truing Stand
Notwithstanding that wonderful bit of Chinglish, the stand is actually pretty nice. It’s almost all metal, with the arms being beefy aluminum with a welded aluminum base. The arms can be spread symmetrically using a single knob, a’la Park. The base includes separately attached steel brackets so the unit can be mounted to a bench, but are wide enough to give it stability when used unmounted.
The truing feelers are mounted to an aluminum arm that moves on a friction pivot. They do not move symmetrically, but independent of each other, unlike the Park, which means you may need to also use a separate dishing tool.
The unit also includes a dial feeler gauge, which, while a neat touch, isn’t really necessary. Also included is an Allen wrench to adjust the base, a couple cheap open end wrenches, and even a circular spoke wrench with multiple sizes.
All in all, I’m pretty impressed. It looks good and the build quality seems excellent. Even the aluminum welds look good. It’s of course not a professional tool like the Park, but it’s plenty good enough for home use, and maybe more. Much nicer than the foldable tubular steel ones available everywhere.
Picked mine up for $100 plus free shipping. You might be able to find it even cheaper.
West Biking Truing Stand
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I view a truing stand's stiffness, stableness and repeatability to be primary qualities (after the obvious "will my wheels fit the stand"). A stand's ability to provide dishing feedback is way down my list. To be able to rotate the wheel and sight the indicator/rim gap, then do it again and again in the same portion of the rim and see the same gap is vital to a good working experience. A stand that flexes too much will distort the gap and each sighting will be somewhat different. Being able to remove the wheel and reinstall it the same way and have the indicator shoe the same gap is very nice.
These qualities are why the heavier and stouter stands are generally liked more than light weight ones that have more flexible Al or plastic parts.
Of course no one "needs" a stand if they have the rest of the bike on hand Andy
These qualities are why the heavier and stouter stands are generally liked more than light weight ones that have more flexible Al or plastic parts.
Of course no one "needs" a stand if they have the rest of the bike on hand Andy
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That looks pretty good for $100. The ad says it doesn't support thru-axles, and it looks like you'll want to bolt it to your bench, since there's no base to speak of. But the independent calipers aren't really a detriment; I've got a Park stand, and I only use one caliper at a time and a separate dishing tool for that job.
Here's a pic of what I assume you bought:
Here's a pic of what I assume you bought:
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Yep, that’s it, with the steel base brackets installed.
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A bit OT but years ago there was a Hozan tool for removing and tightening the lock rings on bottom brackets and threaded headsets. The name molded into the handle was "Hozan Rock Ring Tool". Being Japanese, it was the subject of many snide comments. I had one and, despite the name, it was a very good tool.
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Hozan makes the best fourth hand available.
For $70 bucks more, This stand looks to be even better than the one I got--nearing Park quality. Though for $100, I'm not disappointed.
For $70 bucks more, This stand looks to be even better than the one I got--nearing Park quality. Though for $100, I'm not disappointed.
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In this case, you need the dishing tool not to assure dish, but also to make sure the rim is centered where you need it to be. This is easier to do when the truing calipers move fairly symmetrically. Not perfect, but better than ones that move independently.
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Once a wheel is properly dished, you seldom need to worry about it, unless you've done a major truing job that pulled the rim to one side or the other, and you kind of have to be trying in order to do that.
On my Park stand, I prop open one of the calipers with an allen wrench and true the wheel using only the other. You only need to measure the trueness of one side of the rim, so the position of the wheel in the stand is fairly unimportant.
On my Park stand, I prop open one of the calipers with an allen wrench and true the wheel using only the other. You only need to measure the trueness of one side of the rim, so the position of the wheel in the stand is fairly unimportant.
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Once a wheel is properly dished, you seldom need to worry about it, unless you've done a major truing job that pulled the rim to one side or the other, and you kind of have to be trying in order to do that.
On my Park stand, I prop open one of the calipers with an allen wrench and true the wheel using only the other. You only need to measure the trueness of one side of the rim, so the position of the wheel in the stand is fairly unimportant.
On my Park stand, I prop open one of the calipers with an allen wrench and true the wheel using only the other. You only need to measure the trueness of one side of the rim, so the position of the wheel in the stand is fairly unimportant.
*(Particularly I mean after having built a wheel or set of wheels...)
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As for the one-armed truing method, the rim is a fixed width, so truing from one side trues it on both. Hell, you can do a pretty decent job by strapping a zip-tie to a stay and truing it on the bike.
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Anyway, float your boat as you please, but no one at any of the shops I've ever worked at uses your method. Cheers.
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I have used more then a few dozen different truing stands in many shops and at a few industry shows and I have never relied on any stand's ability to achieve a properly centered/dished (and I feel these are the same as long as the frame is also symmetrically designed) wheel. Sure some stands are better than others at getting close but experience says this isn't the better way to insure dishing is correct. I try to not use absolutes in my discussions but I think I can say that no shop i have worked in, that was a service focused one, didn't have a dishing tool although some had some pretty poor truing stands Andy
Additional- A correctly dished wheel needs no stand or dishing tool, just a careful person handling the spoke wrench.
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Let’s talk front wheel for simplicity: do you think it’s possible to lace the wheel and not have the rim precisely centered over the center of the hub?
Seriously—you guys do what you need to do. I don’t need to argue with you about the best way to build/true/dish wheels. Just thought I’d bring this affordable stand to the attention of folks that may be interested—but hey, everyone makes mistakes.
Seriously—you guys do what you need to do. I don’t need to argue with you about the best way to build/true/dish wheels. Just thought I’d bring this affordable stand to the attention of folks that may be interested—but hey, everyone makes mistakes.
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Let’s talk front wheel for simplicity: do you think it’s possible to lace the wheel and not have the rim precisely centered over the center of the hub?
Seriously—you guys do what you need to do. I don’t need to argue with you about the best way to build/true/dish wheels. Just thought I’d bring this affordable stand to the attention of folks that may be interested—but hey, everyone makes mistakes.
Seriously—you guys do what you need to do. I don’t need to argue with you about the best way to build/true/dish wheels. Just thought I’d bring this affordable stand to the attention of folks that may be interested—but hey, everyone makes mistakes.
To give my answer to your new question about lacing a front wheel...yes one can end up with an off center front (or rear or side as on a trike) wheel if one doesn't do the work well. Independent of a stand, it's the person turning the nipples that counts. The stand only make this work go easier and faster.
And it's this last bit that might not be applicable to many here. Faster and easier means a shop can make more customers happy. It means that fledging mechanics can do better work sooner, the learning curve goes quicker. It means I can reach for the dishing tool and show the customer that their wheel is well dished if needed. For the home wrench a dishing tool (or a truing stand) might seem overkill or un needed. And in the world of personal time having little value this is fine. It all depends on what each of us value, how we wish to spend our time and with what toys we like. Andy
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Enjoy your new truing stand, however you choose to use it.
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Thanks, I'll check out both. The truing stand looks like a clone, and some reviews have said it's even better than the Park--closer tolerances.
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And if you add homemade rubber dust boots to either one they work even better....(wink wink nudge nudge)
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A lot of thought was obviously put into designing it.
I forgot - I actually did make a homemade add-on for it - a couple of sandbag weights using Ziplock bags, landscaping sand, reinforced tarp material and Gorilla duct tape complete with carry handles - I put them on the ends of the legs to add stability, just in case I were to have a careless moment and knock into it. Hasn't happened yet but I could envision that it could. It's very stable with the weight of a bike on it but I imagine it could be knocked over which would seriously suck.
They're probably 15 lbs or so each. With the addition of these sandbags plus the weight of a bike you'd have to really be trying to knock it over.