sjanzeir

No, really, can someone please explain to me - in short, easy to digest form - what "Eagle" is about?

Koyote

Have you really not heard of google?

sjanzeir

I have heard of Google! I've heard of patronizing, unhelpful a[bleep]es, too - especially the complete type.

Koyote

Have you heard of "lazy"?

tomato coupe

https://www.sram.com/en/sram/mountain/collections/eagle

sjanzeir

Oh yeah! A lot of that going on around this forum, especially right f[bleep]g now.

sjanzeir

Yeah, thanks! I'd read all this before I'd gone ahead and did the stupidest thing ever, which is to dare to post a question on this forum, but I wanted a little more than just SRAM's marketing speak - like, from a real actual human being. But thanks anyway.

veganbikes

What exactly do you want to know? I mean aside from saying bleeping a bunch because the topic is an easy search on a search engine. If you had specific questions someone can help but it is such an easy search for basic info nobody is sure what you want. You didn't like the link to the SRAM website either so you haven't been clear.

sjanzeir

Oh, gosh, I knew I was going to regret this...
No, the link to the SRAM website was fine. I loved it. It was absolutely adorable. They hype up the range of the cassette, but I was curious as to whether that was all it's about. But thanks everyone, I'll find out more elsewhere, because there's this little thing called Google and I was being lazy.

tomato coupe

Wow, that’s quite the attitude, considering the other poster just asked what information you were looking for.

sjanzeir

Yeah, this place does that to people sometimes...

As I said, is Eagle just about the wide range of gear ratios? Who is it for? What can/does it do - on real life, that is - that non-Eagle SRAMs don't? You know, that kind of thing - the kind that a helpful expert would be happy to explain.

PeteHski

Eagle is just a collective name for all SRAM 12 speed mtb groupsets. It gives a very wide range across 12 cassette gears.

veganbikes

Your problem sjanzeir is you weren't clear in what information you wanted and are now increasingly getting unfair to people because you weren't clear. If you ask a hugely open question you will get a lot of various answers some of them quite helpful for the open endedness of the question. If you get specific people can then provide better answers.

SRAM Eagle is for anyone who wants a SRAM mountain bike group with a nice wide range. It is designed to shift 12 gears unlike other groupsets that don't. And no I am not being sarcastic here. What do you really want to know? Are you not down with 12 speed or don't like SRAM or something else maybe or are you really not sure about SRAM?

Personally I am normally a Shimano person but I do think the AXS 12 speed seems decent and with the Reverb dropper post I have a backup battery in case I need it. I would probably run Zirbel shifters and either Magura or Shimano brakes but the wireless stuff seems kinda neat. I still would probably run XT Di2 if I could.

Kontact 

He posted a cycling question. You post diarrhea of the mouth. Who makes the forum worse?

I really have come to hate you. You make just reading a thread awful.

Kontact 

You jerks set the attitude around here. Don't you have a playground to terrorize?

veganbikes

Kontact No need to be hostile. If you could have read what went on you would understand what was said and why it was said. No need to hate people clearly you didn't have an answer here either so I am unsure of the reason for the post other than to do what we don't need around here. The post has something to do with SRAM Eagle, a 12 speed mountain bike groupset. No need to hurl insults around unless you really don't like SRAM then I would hurl them at SRAM not other posters.

Troul 

I dont have any personal experience with it, but I'd like to think the tooth count for the cassette would be "geared" towards MTB'ers & not ideal for roadies that like close gearing spreads. The shifting would be optimized for the intended conditions too, so it might not be whisper quiet that is often expected for a drop bar rider on the streets.

sjanzeir

Awesome! Thanks!

Polaris OBark

In my experience (indirect, as it was the kid's bike), 12-speed GX Eagle is total garbage. He destroyed the first one when a stick went into the drivetrain. This was in the middle of a ride, and I tried to fix it the best I could at the time, and probably wound up making it worse. It is quite fragile, and the derailleur cage is easily bent. We went though a second one fairly quickly as well, before switching over to Shimano. SLX 12-speed is vastly superior, and I think was slightly less expensive. They also have NX and SX, which are one and two tiers lower. I have no experience with those, but seem to recall they aren't significantly less expensive, and it is hard to imagine something even worse that the GX Eagle. The shifter, however, is actually pretty decent. The brakes that came along with it I think are called Level, and they are absolute crap as well.

Koyote

I could easily see that from the SRAM Eagle webpage, and yet sjanzeir is upset that people suggested that he review that info.

Kontact 

You kidding? The first post is entirely hostile and unnecessary.

This forum is not really moderated, and there seems to be a contingent of bad actors who think they are freelance moderators - steering topics around to their biases by making discussion intolerable. And then everyone else reacts to the person who got targeted for being put out about it. The OP should be put out. You should be put out. Koyote's post shouldn't be tolerated by people who want a discussion board to be about discussion, not aggression.

You know what works really well to limit seemingly valueless posts? You ignore them. Someone asks a dumb question, leave the thread alone and it will disappear off the bottom of the page in a day.

So instead of potentially interesting discussion about what is and isn't Eagle and its features, we have the script from Mean Girls. Because a couple of not nice people think the topic is beneath them.

sjanzeir

No, I was never upset that someone suggested that I visit a web page because I had already done that and found it more about corporate hype than "Eagle is this and that. As I said in my original post what I wanted was...

... which PeteHski thankfully obliged, saving me plenty of time (which, by the way, is the very essence of being helpful.) This thread didn't need to be more than two or three posts long, with each post being two or three lines at most. But I guess it's far more satisfying to be patronizing and holier-than-thou online than it is to disseminate actual, real-world knowledge and information like Polaris OBark just did.

mschwett 

what i find somewhat confusing about the SRAM approach is that "eagle" refers to a huge range of MTB components, unlike, say, "dura-ace" or "XTR" in the shimano world, which specifies both a type (road, mtb) and a level.

so in SRAM MTB land, there are several levels chosen from the tiers that go with eagle, NX eagle, GX eagle, X01 eagle, and XX1 eagle. pretty big differences from NX to GX (e.g. different driver and so on) and then more differences as you work the way up, but they're all 12 speed mountain bike drivetrains.

veganbikes

You are the one derailing the conversation though and being exceptionally hostile and the OP was also hostile for no real reason as well.

The forum is moderated but guess what the folks who do so are a small group of unpaid individuals who probably also have lives and cannot get to every thread all the time. Sometimes they aren't perfect but who is?

Do you have anything to say on SRAM Eagle? I am guessing not a fan because you haven't said a word about that. That is totally fine. 12 speed isn't for everyone, I am fine with 11 speed personally but would run a 12 speed group having ridden some SLX and XT stuff minimally it seems to work quite well but would really love some Di2 stuff or am interested in trying some AXS

sjanzeir

You know what? That exactly what I found bewildering, hence my much-maligned original question. It just wasn't immediately obvious to me what "Eagle" and "not Eagle" were. Thank you for this!