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Old 10-13-20, 11:42 AM
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Michigan Cyclist rides 100 miles in 2:20!!!

OMG, Cyclist from Holland Mi just rode a bicycle around MIS for 100 miles in 2:20:46 - that is a speed of 42.6mph (drafting his father's minivan). Broke the current record which was 3:11.
(love the MI bike law jersey!)

This was done by drafting his father in a Minivan while circling MIS

https://cyclingtips.com/2020/10/a-ma...-world-record/
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ain't that sumthin'
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Was that the fastest the minivan could go?
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Originally Posted by 02Giant
Was that the fastest the minivan could go?
It's a Honda, so yeah.
Local news interviewed him about a week later. He said the 42mph pace was the fastest he felt he could keep up for the two and a half hours.
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Faster than I could go.

A few years ago I used to draft behind an electric Chrysler minivan on my commute to work, although that thing didn't seem like it could go faster than 25mph.
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Originally Posted by chas58
OMG, Cyclist from Holland Mi just rode a bicycle around MIS for 100 miles in 2:20:46 - that is a speed of 42.6mph (drafting his father's minivan). Broke the current record which was 3:11.
(love the MI bike law jersey!)

This was done by drafting his father in a Minivan while circling MIS

https://cyclingtips.com/2020/10/a-ma...-world-record/
While this is incredibly amazing, I am still more impressed by the guy in the UK who did a 100 miles just under 3 hours without a drafting vehicle or partner of any kind.

Man some of these guys are amazing athletes! Both must have crazy good cycling genetics!
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Impressive, but wasn't that a LOT of fumes sucked up in just a couple of hours -and I don't see a mask.
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Impressive, but wasn't that a LOT of fumes sucked up in just a couple of hours -and I don't see a mask.
No. That's not a poorly maintained 1969 Honda minivan.
1) He's going 42mph and he's 3ft above the exhaust pipe, which is off to the side. By the time the exhaust spreads out, he's already past it. The track is 2miles long, so he'd have 3min for that exhaust to disperse.
2) A mask would be completely useless in so many ways. Modern car exhaust is incredibly clean. It's not oxygen, but there are no particulates to speak of. With the US air quality (clean), you can't detect particulates over the background atmospheric air. Gasoline cars actually scrub the air. If you take a modern, emissions controlled car and feed it US/Euro standard fuel, it will clean the air. https://www.aqmd.gov/docs/default-sou...attimaricq.pdf

The biggest worry would be NOx and CO and be looking at sub-1gr/mile (less at this speed), but again..... he's going 42mph and will easily pass that stuff up.....and 1gr every 85sec probably wouldn't harm you -even if you were confined in your garage all night with that 'pouring' in.
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Originally Posted by sdmc530
While this is incredibly amazing, I am still more impressed by the guy in the UK who did a 100 miles just under 3 hours without a drafting vehicle or partner of any kind.

Man some of these guys are amazing athletes! Both must have crazy good cycling genetics!
Good tail wind? Once rode at 40mph for close to an hour with a really sweet tail wind, almost gave up several times and debated calling for a ride home for the ride back, just figured the roomies wouldn't be home to give me a lift. Its made me wonder how fast someone riding a plains state from west to east in a wind storm could really go. I'd imagine on the right road maintaining over 40mph in a wind storm wouldn't be unreasonable as long as you don't average the return trip in, technically it would also be unassisted.
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I'm not usually a doubter, but this one gives me pause. His "official" file upload has no power or HR on it, and I question any segment effort with no analytics. He mentions in the Strava comments averaging 204W (meaning someone could go WAY faster than this) and that he dropped out of the draft several times, but the MIS laps never vary by more than 2 seconds. That's two seconds over 1.97 miles, at nearly 43mph. It just raises questions, is all. Coker was a machine doing laps around Flatwoods during her HAMR effort, and still had big variances. Seeing like a dozen 2:46s in a row makes me go... huh? Also, no officiating body present (apparently?) so this could be any Strava file by anyone, really. Coulda been on the passenger seat of the van for all we know.

If it's indeed legit-- and I really have no reason to fully believe that it isn't-- it's an impressive feat to be sure, but doesn't hold a candle to the UK guy mentioned above.

Tailwind, yeah-- but on open roads, point-to-point. And heavily officiated.
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What's next, cycling behind a minivan while going downhill?
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Meh, it's motorpacing. Next thing you know there will be E-bike "distance" records.
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth
Good tail wind? Once rode at 40mph for close to an hour with a really sweet tail wind, almost gave up several times and debated calling for a ride home for the ride back, just figured the roomies wouldn't be home to give me a lift. Its made me wonder how fast someone riding a plains state from west to east in a wind storm could really go. I'd imagine on the right road maintaining over 40mph in a wind storm wouldn't be unreasonable as long as you don't average the return trip in, technically it would also be unassisted.
Seriously? that must of been some tailwind. I can't imagine being able to pull that off.
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Seriously? that must of been some tailwind. I can't imagine being able to pull that off.
Took over three hours to get back suffering the whole way. Did one last year where the kids, 7&9 were with me and we were flying at 25mph. I made us stop after 3 miles and several times the kids couldn't ride fast enough into the wind to stay balanced. They were upset at first I made us stop but they changed their minds fast.
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Reminds me of Enrico trailing the Cinzano semi... don't recall if 20th Century released any times on that.
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IMO, human powered vehicle records should be powered solely by human power to travel; not following a motorized vehicle getting the aerodynamic benefit to make traveling forward easier.
Sure drafting is a skill, but not for records.
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Originally Posted by cat0020
IMO, human powered vehicle records should be powered solely by human power to travel; not following a motorized vehicle getting the aerodynamic benefit to make traveling forward easier.
Sure drafting is a skill, but not for records.
Even the woman that set the land speed record while under the rear cowling of a streamliner?
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Hey Bill.. I just noticed.. he's below the yellow line.. I guess as long as you don't advance your position per NASCAR rules?
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Originally Posted by JLDickmon
Hey Bill.. I just noticed.. he's below the yellow line.. I guess as long as you don't advance your position per NASCAR rules?
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
I'm not usually a doubter, but this one gives me pause. His "official" file upload has no power or HR on it, and I question any segment effort with no analytics. He mentions in the Strava comments averaging 204W (meaning someone could go WAY faster than this) and that he dropped out of the draft several times, but the MIS laps never vary by more than 2 seconds. That's two seconds over 1.97 miles, at nearly 43mph. It just raises questions, is all. Coker was a machine doing laps around Flatwoods during her HAMR effort, and still had big variances. Seeing like a dozen 2:46s in a row makes me go... huh?
First thought is that they figured out in test runs that he'd be able to keep up if the driver set the minivan cruise control at 42 or 43 mph.
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Originally Posted by JLDickmon
Even the woman that set the land speed record while under the rear cowling of a streamliner?
Nope, that could be a drafting speed record,
but not a human powered speed record, those records belong to the recumbents: IHPVA
https://youtu.be/zNW1gaYR9wg
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Originally Posted by cat0020
IMO, human powered vehicle records should be powered solely by human power to travel; not following a motorized vehicle getting the aerodynamic benefit to make traveling forward easier.
Sure drafting is a skill, but not for records.
There's a lot of history here. Notably Alfred LeTourner (whose picture was in Schwinn advertising in many of the comic books I bought), who in 1938 first cracked 100 mph drafting a racing car, and who previously in France participated in motor-paced track racing.

That wasn't "real" racing?
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History or not, real or not, by definition "human powered vehicle" is meant to be propelled solely by human power,
not have another vehicle to provide shelter from wind resistance that require human power to overcome.

It's a different category of racing that require less "human power" overall to complete when drafting behind a motorized vehicle;
take away that leading motorized vehicle which provide shelter, that kind of "racing" would still be real.
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Originally Posted by cat0020
History or not, real or not, by definition "human powered vehicle" is meant to be propelled solely by human power,
not have another vehicle to provide shelter from wind resistance that require human power to overcome.

It's a different category of racing that require less "human power" overall to complete when drafting behind a motorized vehicle;
take away that leading motorized vehicle which provide shelter, that kind of "racing" would still be real.
You might have a point if you think Ornee was trying to claim the "human powered vehicle" record. Read the article again if you need to.
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