80’s Cinelli-Made Ciocc w/ Unknown forks stamped T.d.F
09-17-22, 01:17 PM
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Do you still have it? Beautiful!
I have been mulling a few colors for the few frames I am considering repainting.
1. Deep plum-burgundy
2. AD cream color (I am getting a Superleicht so that is the one)
3. Midnight blue
4. Midnight metallic blue
5. purple
I have been mulling a few colors for the few frames I am considering repainting.
1. Deep plum-burgundy
2. AD cream color (I am getting a Superleicht so that is the one)
3. Midnight blue
4. Midnight metallic blue
5. purple
Let's see if i can find an old pic of mine, not "burgundy" but a deep red metallic, paint by Mr. Ed Litton, and he had these decals on hand. Original color was a plain-jane red.
there have been a few changes since this pic was taken, but tubing is SL, it has internal TT cable routing, Cinelli Spoiler BB with one side panto, same seat cluster as OP's
there have been a few changes since this pic was taken, but tubing is SL, it has internal TT cable routing, Cinelli Spoiler BB with one side panto, same seat cluster as OP's
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09-17-22, 02:37 PM
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I have an early 90's with same seat stay treatment but different BB shell and external cable on the chainstay, internal on the top tube. Columbus EL. My bet is fork is not original.
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Should be ~90's Designer 84. Based on the age of the wheels it came with, I'd make more photos of that fork, and ask the "50's era" experts before passing on (if thats the intension once you source a CIÖCC).
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Yune_Garage have you seen this post? https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-bicycles-whats-worth-appraisals/1088571-cioecc-designer-84-microf-c-40-frame.html#post19198795
+ what's your steerer length?
+ what's your steerer length?
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I know it's become accepted practice to call frames with that decal on the front of TT "Designer '84" or the previous version decal "Designer '80" but I don't think it was ever the actual model name (in either case).
Ciocc frames and complete bicycles were sold without model names in many cases, or left to the importers to decide what to call them, with the exception of the "San Cristobal" model, although even that one had 2 variations, and oh yeah the "MOCKBA '80", I think that model name originated in the Pelizzoli shop.
To answer jdawginsc "Do you still have it? Beautiful!"
Oh yes, I am not letting this one go anywhere, we have had a lot of miles together! But the main upgrades since this pic is it now has a full-chrome late model Ciocc fork with the same crown as in thread #20, when I got the frame it had this chrome Bianchi fork (nice enough fork but not 'correct'), and the 105 RD was replaced with a Campy RD and more recent Campy levers (more correct but I actually had better shifting with the 105, sorry purists)
almost forgot re: yellow ("Always wondered what a yellow or deep burgundy Ciocc would look like...") My earlier San Cristobal which was built in Pelizzoli's shop and had the earlier style all black decals (no "tip" on the capital "C") was a light yellow metallic over nearly full-chrome frame (sort of a cromovelato that didn't use the transparent lacquer). It is my goal to someday return it to "nearly" the original color, but as a stop-gap I had it powder-coated solid off-white. And been disappointed with that ever since, but just don't have the coin for the full treatment, it would require re-plating and that's a deal-killer, especially in California!
I think I have pix of the "before" that shows the yellow color, but it's condition was atrocious!
Ciocc frames and complete bicycles were sold without model names in many cases, or left to the importers to decide what to call them, with the exception of the "San Cristobal" model, although even that one had 2 variations, and oh yeah the "MOCKBA '80", I think that model name originated in the Pelizzoli shop.
To answer jdawginsc "Do you still have it? Beautiful!"
Oh yes, I am not letting this one go anywhere, we have had a lot of miles together! But the main upgrades since this pic is it now has a full-chrome late model Ciocc fork with the same crown as in thread #20, when I got the frame it had this chrome Bianchi fork (nice enough fork but not 'correct'), and the 105 RD was replaced with a Campy RD and more recent Campy levers (more correct but I actually had better shifting with the 105, sorry purists)
almost forgot re: yellow ("Always wondered what a yellow or deep burgundy Ciocc would look like...") My earlier San Cristobal which was built in Pelizzoli's shop and had the earlier style all black decals (no "tip" on the capital "C") was a light yellow metallic over nearly full-chrome frame (sort of a cromovelato that didn't use the transparent lacquer). It is my goal to someday return it to "nearly" the original color, but as a stop-gap I had it powder-coated solid off-white. And been disappointed with that ever since, but just don't have the coin for the full treatment, it would require re-plating and that's a deal-killer, especially in California!
I think I have pix of the "before" that shows the yellow color, but it's condition was atrocious!
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Fair warning: brace yourselves for the horror of a badly mis-treated Ciocc frameset. I did not do this, I bought it so as to save it!
But some ref for what the early details and graphics look like:
"pintail" head lugs!
These don't give a good idea of the color, It was actually once a pale yellow metallic, but in these just looks an awful rusty yuck-color
But some ref for what the early details and graphics look like:
"pintail" head lugs!
These don't give a good idea of the color, It was actually once a pale yellow metallic, but in these just looks an awful rusty yuck-color
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09-18-22, 02:35 PM
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I highly suspect the primered fork belongs to the frame but I cannot ID it. Steertube is stamped T.d.F (Tour De France?) and 58’ and is chromed so Im assuming its chrome under the rattle can primer as well. The gentleman threw in some old Fiamme wheels laced to Campy hubs which may be older than the bike.
Interestingly, those wheels might have even been attached to that Frejus, too.
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Looks like the collective expertise has got you well on the way to your Ciocc ID, so I'll just note that the T.d.F. fork is much older than the frame and was at some point attached to a Frejus 'Tour de France' model frame.
Interestingly, those wheels might have even been attached to that Frejus, too.
Interestingly, those wheels might have even been attached to that Frejus, too.
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Fork looks a decade older at least.
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I seem to recall an eggplant Ciocc in the sales forum about 5 years ago, it was lovely.
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Thank you to all for the awesome feedback and insight. 
Great info on the Frejus fork! Although I won’t be using it for this frame, Im actually looking forward to stripping the primer to see how the chrome is underneath. I may just part with it if anyone needs it.
Regarding color, Im thinking of going with Midnight Blue Metallic and white (since I dont have the original Ciocc chrome forks). Paint scheme like the 2022 San Cristobal below.
Great info on the Frejus fork! Although I won’t be using it for this frame, Im actually looking forward to stripping the primer to see how the chrome is underneath. I may just part with it if anyone needs it.
Regarding color, Im thinking of going with Midnight Blue Metallic and white (since I dont have the original Ciocc chrome forks). Paint scheme like the 2022 San Cristobal below.
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Yune_Garage, let me know if you're willing to part with the Frejus fork.
There's a 58cm frame minus fork that has hung in a local shop for a while now, and I've avoided it only because it's missing the original fork.
-Kurt
There's a 58cm frame minus fork that has hung in a local shop for a while now, and I've avoided it only because it's missing the original fork.
-Kurt
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Yune_Garage, let me know if you're willing to part with the Frejus fork.
There's a 58cm frame minus fork that has hung in a local shop for a while now, and I've avoided it only because it's missing the original fork.
-Kurt
There's a 58cm frame minus fork that has hung in a local shop for a while now, and I've avoided it only because it's missing the original fork.
-Kurt
I’ll send you a PM in a bit.
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