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So I bought aero bars back in November, and it has cut a nice chunk of time off my Strava segments. Today it cut 32 seconds off a 1.6 mile segment, compared to my previous PB. The bars feel too far out, so i'm thinking about shortening my stem (currently a 110 mm). I have a 100 mm stem at home i could try, but suspect that might be too long still. How long of a stem should I run? Is there a rule of thumb to follow?
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Perhaps the front of your new bar is rotated too far upward. Try to rotate the front of your new bar downward and move the STI levers higher and back up toward the top of the handlebar. Doing so decreases your reach to the hoods but maintains your reach to the tops.
The general rule of thumb is that the middle of the bar should block your view of the front wheel hub.
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Actually, please ignore everything I have said above in post #2.
I misunderstood your use of "aero bars" to refer to an aerodynamically shaped handlebar, whereas you were most likely referring to aero bar extensions.
I misunderstood your use of "aero bars" to refer to an aerodynamically shaped handlebar, whereas you were most likely referring to aero bar extensions.
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So I bought aero bars back in November, and it has cut a nice chunk of time off my Strava segments. Today it cut 32 seconds off a 1.6 mile segment, compared to my previous PB. The bars feel too far out, so i'm thinking about shortening my stem (currently a 110 mm). I have a 100 mm stem at home i could try, but suspect that might be too long still. How long of a stem should I run? Is there a rule of thumb to follow?
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Which ones did you buy?
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I was once a critic of "all that aero crap". Years ago I did a training ride with a buddy on a 1-mile flat loop. We swapped pulling at each lap. At the time, we were dead even in fitness. He showed up on a TT bike, aero helmet. I laughed... briefly. I had to work to stay on his wheel. I heard lots of freewheel on my pulls. Eventually, he rode me off his wheel. Science hurts.
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I was once a critic of "all that aero crap". Years ago I did a training ride with a buddy on a 1-mile flat loop. We swapped pulling at each lap. At the time, we were dead even in fitness. He showed up on a TT bike, aero helmet. I laughed... briefly. I had to work to stay on his wheel. I heard lots of freewheel on my pulls. Eventually, he rode me off his wheel. Science hurts.
The bars I have are the Prime S bend Clip on aero extensions from Chain Reaction Cycles. What I want to do is move the clip ons out to accomodate my longish arms, but then move my elbows closer to the chest. I'm wondering if maybe 80 mm is the right stem to do that?
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I'm sorta meh on comparing PRs before/after equipment purchases. Lots of sports you can buy faster speeds.
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I don't think anyone is confusing the tech improvement for a fitness improvement. But for riders who are into racing, the PR comparisons might be useful data. (With the usual caveats about all of the uncontrolled variables that can affect those ride times.)
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Agreed. On a tangential note, for whatever reasons through the multiple threads on "what should I buy next" to presumably improve speeds, it always seems tires or wheels or somesuch. Clip-ons never really make it as a rec that I recall, even though the cost can be comparable to a set of tires and less than a wheelset.
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I don't like clip on aerobars on my road bike, the fit just isn't quite there (I have a pretty slammed front end which I find really comfortable but it's too low for clip ons, at least cheapo ones without ability to substantially raise the pads), but a full on TT rig, oh my. Really quick on the flat at not a lot of watts.
Just not as practical as a road bike. The first time I took it out it was damp and with CF wheels (disc in the rear) and ye olde rim brakes really aren't nearly as good as a road bike with discs. I can't imagine taking the TT bike out when it's windy or in grisly weather.
Anyway, I get why wheels and the like are suggested to improve speed on a road bike and clip on aerobars aren't - you're just not allowed to ride clip ons in a lot of events where you'd use a road bike.
Just not as practical as a road bike. The first time I took it out it was damp and with CF wheels (disc in the rear) and ye olde rim brakes really aren't nearly as good as a road bike with discs. I can't imagine taking the TT bike out when it's windy or in grisly weather.
Anyway, I get why wheels and the like are suggested to improve speed on a road bike and clip on aerobars aren't - you're just not allowed to ride clip ons in a lot of events where you'd use a road bike.
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Agreed. On a tangential note, for whatever reasons through the multiple threads on "what should I buy next" to presumably improve speeds, it always seems tires or wheels or somesuch. Clip-ons never really make it as a rec that I recall, even though the cost can be comparable to a set of tires and less than a wheelset.
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I know aerobars can no longer be used on the UCI World tour except for TT events but is that also true for other racing levels?
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So I don't do any regular racing or group rides. Most of my riding is solo, but I do plan to do a TT this year. I mostly got the aero bars to get more comfortable on the bike. On longer rides, I need the extra position to give me more hand placement options. Part of it was pure curiosity, wanting to experiment with aero and see how much faster I can go.
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I just never will consider one instance as proof of anything. So let us know what the six best of your next twelve rides with them average out to compared to six best of your previous 12 rides without them.
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
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I just never will consider one instance as proof of anything. So let us know what the six best of your next twelve rides with them average out to compared to six best of your previous 12 rides without them.
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
In any case, going back to my original question, how long of a stem should I try with clip on aero bars? Currently running a 110mm.
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I don't like clip on aerobars on my road bike, the fit just isn't quite there (I have a pretty slammed front end which I find really comfortable but it's too low for clip ons, at least cheapo ones without ability to substantially raise the pads), but a full on TT rig, oh my. Really quick on the flat at not a lot of watts.
Just not as practical as a road bike. The first time I took it out it was damp and with CF wheels (disc in the rear) and ye olde rim brakes really aren't nearly as good as a road bike with discs. I can't imagine taking the TT bike out when it's windy or in grisly weather.
Anyway, I get why wheels and the like are suggested to improve speed on a road bike and clip on aerobars aren't - you're just not allowed to ride clip ons in a lot of events where you'd use a road bike.
Just not as practical as a road bike. The first time I took it out it was damp and with CF wheels (disc in the rear) and ye olde rim brakes really aren't nearly as good as a road bike with discs. I can't imagine taking the TT bike out when it's windy or in grisly weather.
Anyway, I get why wheels and the like are suggested to improve speed on a road bike and clip on aerobars aren't - you're just not allowed to ride clip ons in a lot of events where you'd use a road bike.
Clip-on aerobars on a road bike are great on ordinary competitive group rides, especially when you're not one of the strongest riders. You use them when you pull so that doesn't take as much out of you. They're great for bridging up to another group. They don't weigh much, so one comes out on it, energy-wise. You can't use them unless you have at last 20' of clear air in front of you, that's all.
On long endurance rides, one really comes out on it. It's less energy per mile, plus one gets to rest one's entire upper body. Down on the bars, one is just resting on bones, no upper body strain at all. Though that assumes you pedal smoothly so you aren't bracing against a wobbling motion. If one has a good road position, no need to alter it to use aerobars. One is higher up than one would be in the drops with bent elbows, meaning that the hip angle is not more closed, so no need to move forward to open it.
My coasting experiments show exactly the same speed at 40+ whether I'm deep in the drops, chin 2" off the stem, elbows tucked under my belly, or just on the aerobars, completely comfortable. Cylinders (arms) are very high drag forms.
Clip-ons have limitations around safety. I don't use them on descents where one would corner at a substantial lean angle. I don't use them unless if have a good line of sight. I don't even use them on ordinary cornering. Anything vaguely technical, I have my hands near the brakes.
For anything other than long solo rides, I much prefer the type with fixed pads rather than flip-up. I'd rather lose a big chunk of bar top than have to take that little extra motion to put the pads down. That's a problem in a fast rotating paceline where you have to be perfect every instant.
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You should try as many and as long or short as you care too. When you know by your own sense that you've gone to far in one direction then you probably have.
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I just never will consider one instance as proof of anything. So let us know what the six best of your next twelve rides with them average out to compared to six best of your previous 12 rides without them.
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
Not that I don't believe that they help. It's just that in your case how do we know you didn't have a 20 mph tailwind the entire way?
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I put clip-ons onto my ride and i am not sure if they have made me faster or not. i only really put them on for another hand position. i absolutely love them and spend more time on the bars than on the hoods or drops. One of those things i with i had done sooner.
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Next up, if you do care about any measurable changes, you need to do out/back or looped routes. Since it's clip ons, do it once on the drop bars and the next on the clip ons. There ya go.
Side comment just for clowning around: for every 100 people posting about how they bought clip-ons for "all the hand positions and resting the elbows on long rides due to my sore old man's back" I'll show you 100 liars that bought them hoping they'd go faster also.
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I've been using clip-ons on my road bikes for 25 years, which is why I'm posting. I don't race and haven't done PBP but I've used them on group rides and event rides. I never take them off..
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I don't like clip on aerobars on my road bike, the fit just isn't quite there (I have a pretty slammed front end which I find really comfortable but it's too low for clip ons, at least cheapo ones without ability to substantially raise the pads), but a full on TT rig, oh my. Really quick on the flat at not a lot of watts.
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Clip-on aerobars on a road bike are great on ordinary competitive group rides, especially when you're not one of the strongest riders. You use them when you pull so that doesn't take as much out of you. They're great for bridging up to another group. They don't weigh much, so one comes out on it, energy-wise. You can't use them unless you have at last 20' of clear air in front of you, that's all.
If you have 20' of clean air you've been shot out the back and are headed home. As the clean air is between you and the group that just dropped you.
If you have 20' of clean air in front of you and you're on the front, on a competitive ride, you better not be in aerobars otherwise the group is going to wait until the second you get on front and get in them then light you up. And again, you're shot out the back this time while scrambling to get back to the shifters.
But that's exactly what I would do. I would grab the attention of the riders in the spots right behind you and the second you settled into those bars.......attack. I doubt it would take more than once, but repeat if necessary. No different than what you'd do to a tired rider that gets on the front then doesn't skip the pull, attack and drop them as they can't latch on.
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I use aero bars on my bikes. Not so much for any aero advantage, but to reduce pressure on my hands. I find that long rides with conventional bars, the palms of my hands will hurt and/or go numb. I find using aero bars allows me to support my upper body without tiring my arms and hurting my hands.
My experience is that the farther forward you can mount them, the more control you will have. But that's relative. You give up a lot of control in that position.
My experience is that the farther forward you can mount them, the more control you will have. But that's relative. You give up a lot of control in that position.