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05-31-21, 07:18 PM
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If that bike was about $2,000 (quick web look), then there should be no real issue of his insurance covering it but, again, get an appraisal of possible hidden damage on a carbon frame.
05-31-21, 07:42 PM
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There's other groups far more concerned with collision avoidance than us, namely aircraft and shipping. They rely heavily on strobes and would disagree with disco reasoning. So do most fire and police vehicles, although the strobing parts might not be white. Buoy markers, masts, most aircraft, runway approach lighting, water towers, beacons, lighthouses, etc are examples. The number of times I've made brief eye contact with drivers during a yield, who clearly saw my daytime strobe, is priceless. I should I add mine sit very low with a Paul mount at the front dropout level, and pointed down a tad, so not to distract oncoming riders while still being effective. I find the night time effect is amazing at showing the contour of the oncoming road surface. Plus I never use it on paths, can't understand why riders do this. Those high mounted space lasers strapped to bars can't be lumped in with thoughtful lighting that avoids collision.
In terms of emergency vehicles and police they are generally going to an emergency and need to get there quickly and get people out of the way, they are typically traveling at high speeds and blaring sirens as well. Still problematic for vision but generally gone quickly unlikely a slow moving bicycle (and yes I include the fast roadies in that category) and generally a part of the job rather than a choice someone makes
See a low rider light pointing more at the ground might not be so bad. However you are in a real minority on that most people prefer to keep it high and bright as all get up. However still I like to avoid flashing lights unless I am an emergency vehicle or at least in an emergency which is quite rare if ever. If I am on a bike and in an emergency I am probably not able to ride.
05-31-21, 11:57 PM
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I am sure that flashing lights have existed since the early 2000's at least. Nevertheless, they are practically expected by the majority of drivers and, more importantly, law enforcement authority figures. I don't use mine in the daytime, because I'd rather save the batteries for when they are really needed.
All that said, I have little fear of riding without lights! 45 years in urban traffic and no serious collisions ... no collisions ever, to date. It ain't luck! You CAN prevent most collisions by riding defensively, and by not putting responsibility for your safety onto the shoulders of total strangers. I'm not telling you that, I figure you know that already. When I turn on the flasher it is so that if I wind up in an accident no one can say "see, if he had had flashers ...", but I would never suggest to someone (as has been done in this thread) that they should use flashers to prevent an accident. They do not, and cannot. Ride defensively.
All that said, I have little fear of riding without lights! 45 years in urban traffic and no serious collisions ... no collisions ever, to date. It ain't luck! You CAN prevent most collisions by riding defensively, and by not putting responsibility for your safety onto the shoulders of total strangers. I'm not telling you that, I figure you know that already. When I turn on the flasher it is so that if I wind up in an accident no one can say "see, if he had had flashers ...", but I would never suggest to someone (as has been done in this thread) that they should use flashers to prevent an accident. They do not, and cannot. Ride defensively.
Sigh ... I have NOT recommended flashing headlights in the dark. This thread is not about riding in the dark. The picture being discussed was taken in daylight. I have not even recommended lights at all in the daytime. I was responding to another poster who labelled flashing lights of any kind as bad.
Read the first two together, especially the part about why you don't use them in the day because you save them for "when they are really needed." Well, logically, if not day, when are they really needed? If you didn't intend to convey that you were using flashers at night, that's on you.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the flashing as either a rider or a driver.
06-01-21, 06:04 AM
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Not unreasonable, perfectly acceptable
I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
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06-01-21, 09:10 AM
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When carbon break it breaks with a tear, a puncture or by being crushed. It does not develop small cracks which could fail later like a steel or alloy frame might, by nature of it being a composite material. That is why it is a superior, and oft preferred material for many bike frames.
"I spent a good afternoon surfing the internet trying to find examples of carbon frames or forks which had snapped suddenly while being ridden due to an unnoticed fault or previous unseen damage. While there were plenty of people talking about it, and swearing blind it’s a possibility, I didn’t come across anyone claiming that it had happened to them. Not even a ‘my cousin’s friend’ anecdote. There were plenty of examples of carbon bikes that have smashed, splintered and crushed on impact, but that isn’t the scenario I’m looking at. What I did find, was examples of where carbon and metal components which were bonded together had separated."
https://www.yellowjersey.co.uk/the-d...is%20different.
06-01-21, 01:33 PM
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Years ago a repair shop I worked at damaged a brand new Corvette. Hoist went through the floorboard of the car. Customer demanded a brand new car. He didn't get it.
06-01-21, 02:35 PM
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Matt, I'm sorry this happened and am glad you weren't seriously injured.
I have the same bike and I'd be really upset if I had just paid for a brand new, flawless bike that was now (at the very least) scuffed up and scratched. Especially if it wasn't my fault.
I have the same bike and I'd be really upset if I had just paid for a brand new, flawless bike that was now (at the very least) scuffed up and scratched. Especially if it wasn't my fault.
06-01-21, 04:18 PM
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06-01-21, 07:39 PM
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Thank you, how do you like the Revolt? I bought it for mainly road riding to upgrade from my Giant Escape disc 1. I felt it was more forgiving on the road, not as much vibration as the Escape.
06-02-21, 05:18 AM
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Having that "repair" on the title hurts resale value. It's not the owner's fault nor was it in there possession at the time of incident. The dealer imo is on the hook to buy that vehicle back & provide the option to cash out or replace the vehicle with another one identical to it. It's amazing with the lack of taking responsibility of an accident or mistake happens. It's getting worse too.
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06-02-21, 11:43 AM
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Having that "repair" on the title hurts resale value. It's not the owner's fault nor was it in there possession at the time of incident. The dealer imo is on the hook to buy that vehicle back & provide the option to cash out or replace the vehicle with another one identical to it. It's amazing with the lack of taking responsibility of an accident or mistake happens. It's getting worse too.
06-02-21, 12:29 PM
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I love it! It's really comfortable on the road and gravel. I take it out on the road when I want a bit more of a workout than I can get on my Synapse, and it's great on gravel and rough "adventure" roads.
06-02-21, 02:02 PM
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06-03-21, 11:22 AM
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I've read that flashing bike lights are "illegal" in Germany and Holland. Must have been some strong evidence against 'em... no?
07-06-21, 01:44 AM
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No. They simply aren't as necessary there. A German driver cannot simply say "so sorry, I didn't see him/her" when they clobber someone and waltz off without any consequences. So they don't! Clobber cyclists. So the German DOT can reserve flashing lights for things that really, really ought to be more visible than they otherwise might be. The US authorities ENCOURAGE cyclists to use flashing lights. Because they don't know what else to do for them. IOW they are NOT illegal here. Why is there still hand wringing over that?
07-06-21, 06:11 AM
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Bringing it back to bikes, what’s the market resale value for a wrecked carbon bike versus a ridden once, never wrecked carbon bike?
07-06-21, 07:58 PM
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While diminution in value is a recognizable legal injury, it doesn’t mean new $40k car for $1200 in damages. It means that the owner of the car gets $1200 for the repair plus whatever the amount of the reduced value is. So if the car is worth 10% less after being repaired compared to an undamaged car, then the owner gets $1200 plus $4000, not a brand new car.
Bringing it back to bikes, what’s the market resale value for a wrecked carbon bike versus a ridden once, never wrecked carbon bike?
Bringing it back to bikes, what’s the market resale value for a wrecked carbon bike versus a ridden once, never wrecked carbon bike?
I imagine that if the insurance company didn’t offer to replace the bike based on a note from a bike shop that it is impossible to tell if there is hidden damage, then you could probably make the argument that the “Diminished value” claim is worth pretty much the full value of the bike, as you’d be hard pressed to find a buyer for the bike at all if the crash was disclosed.
I don’t think that would be necessary, though. If they are accepting liability for the accident, they have a huge potential exposure for OP’s injury, as pedestrian/bicycle accidents can be very serious and victims garner a lot of sympathy from juries.
I think OP has a pretty good bargaining chip, and the motorcyclist’s carrier has a large incentive to just take care of him and buy him a new bike.
07-06-21, 08:59 PM
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I had my first bike accident the 2nd time I took out my brand new 2022 Specialized Tarmac SL7 Comp($5000 bike with Roval CL50 carbon wheels). I went out on a day with a chance of rain and got caught in a downpour. I took a sharp right hand turn and my rear wheel came out from under me going about 13mph. I fell on the right side. It scraped the rear derailleur and bent the derailleur hanger. I wasn't wearing a helmet like a noob. I got a bad hip bruise, road rash on both hands, big scrape on my right shoulder and my head bounced off the ground pretty hard. The handlebars were not pointing the right direction and I couldn't shift gears without the rear derailleur rubbing against the spokes. I got pretty lucky actually. No frame damage that I can see and it didn't mess up my nice white gloss paint. One of the hoods has a little rub spot. I bought myself a nice helmet and don't ride if there is a good chance of rain. Better to use a indoor trainer on rainy days. To make matters worse I took the derailleur hanger off my Specialized Diverge so I could ride my new bike while I waited for the new hanger to arrive. I stripped the threads on the Diverge hanger and couldn't ride either bike. I ended up ordering 3 derailleur hangers so I have a spare. I don't like the big scrape on the rear derailleur but it works like a champ. I don't notice any shift issues.
