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Old 01-26-22, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I've toyed with starting a thread that asked people to discuss their frame material preferences just on esthetic grounds without arguing with the esthetic judgments of others, but I couldn't figure out an OP that wouldn't look like an invitation to a troll-fest. I got interested in the subject because you and I had a very polite conversation where I thought it was fascinating that our esthetic tastes were very nearly the opposite, that which I find beautiful and elegant, you find bodged and crude and that which you find beautiful in design due to its advancement, I find cold and inelegant. Not surprisingly, you prefer carbon and I prefer steel. I would be lying if I said that the aesthetics of a steel frame wasn't a huge factor in my preference.
Here's what it really boils down to right ? A polite conversation for starters. And aesthetics spans the whole gamut of tastes. For me if it has two wheels and I can do something stupid on it I'm in. I like almost all of em. Carbon, steel, Ti.... My Aluminum experience has been overall positive. I tend to buy first and ask the community later. Luckily I have impeccable tastes and even better luck : )
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Old 01-26-22, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post
Here's what it really boils down to right ? A polite conversation for starters. And aesthetics spans the whole gamut of tastes. For me if it has two wheels and I can do something stupid on it I'm in. I like almost all of em. Carbon, steel, Ti.... My Aluminum experience has been overall positive. I tend to buy first and ask the community later. Luckily I have impeccable tastes and even better luck : )
I definitely meant the visual esthetics was what interested me.

The reason I ended up not starting the thread is when I started writing why I preferred the esthetics of steel, I couldn't think of a way to do it without implicitly or explicitly saying why I don't like aspects of the esthetics of carbon and aluminum, and I didn't want to end up starting another of those threads where everybody gets defensive and offensive. It might start politely, but pretty soon everyone's rusting and assploding all over the place. Weirdly, I think this could be a polite conversation in person, but on the internet, everyone piles in, reacting to whatever trigger word gores their oxen.

That's a fun post, BTW.
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Old 01-26-22, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Don't bother engaging that nonsense.

The notion that any of the frame materials commonly used don't have both advantages and disadvantages as compared to the others is just silly.
It's not nonsense. It's the truth. I've witnessed both.
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Old 01-26-22, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
It's not nonsense. It's the truth. I've witnessed both.

I meant the post you were quoting was nonsense not worth arguing with.

Carbon has its advantages and disadvantages.
Aluminum has its advantages and disadvantages.
Steel beats them all (just kidding).

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Old 01-26-22, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I meant the post you were quoting was nonsense not worth arguing with.

Carbon has its advantages and disadvantages.
Aluminum has its advantages and disadvantages.
Steel beats them all (just kidding).
Yes it does and I am not kidding...Steel is the best material for making bike frames...Carbon is inferior...Aluminum is second best to steel...
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Old 01-26-22, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Yes it does and I am not kidding...Steel is the best material for making bike frames...Carbon is inferior...Aluminum is second best to steel...
Womp womp.
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Old 01-26-22, 06:03 PM
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Personally, I prefer frames made of Unobtanium.
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Old 01-26-22, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Yes it does and I am not kidding...Steel is the best material for making bike frames...Carbon is inferior...Aluminum is second best to steel...

​​​​​Let's start up a gofundme page to buy you a sense of humor.
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Old 01-26-22, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Womp womp.
I heard a rumour that INEOS are moving to steel frames this season after consulting with wolfchild
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Old 01-26-22, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Womp womp.

Brass trombone or carbon?
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Old 01-26-22, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul View Post
Personally, I prefer frames made of Unobtanium.

That's pretty much the entire new bike supply right now.
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Old 01-26-22, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
I heard a rumour that INEOS are moving to steel frames this season after consulting with wolfchild

Yeah? Well, I just magnetized my frame so all I have to do is lift it by a rope and it'll point north. Try doing that with one of your PVC tube jobbies!

Hey look, carbon lugs!


Yup, it's time to go full-stupid.
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Old 01-27-22, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
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I don't see a reason not to go carbon unless you can't afford it or simply prefer a *insert frame material of choice here* frame for whatever reason.
Carbon just happens to be a great material for making light/stiff/comfortable bike frames. Only real downside is relatively high cost.
the cost is mainly why I said what I said. Carbon is good for many things, but sometimes the justifiable reasons don't justify getting one- unless it's just your preference, or whatever reason.
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Old 01-27-22, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jax Rhapsody View Post
the cost is mainly why I said what I said. Carbon is good for many things, but sometimes the justifiable reasons don't justify getting one- unless it's just your preference, or whatever reason.
You didn't even mention cost, but we appear to agree on cost being the main issue with carbon for most people.
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Old 01-27-22, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Yes it does and I am not kidding...Steel is the best material for making bike frames...Carbon is inferior...Aluminum is second best to steel...
Titanium anyone ? ....this should be prefaced with in my opinion
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Old 01-27-22, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Rdmonster69 View Post
Titanium anyone ? ....this should be prefaced with in my opinion
Pretty irrelevant to what the OP was asking. Plenty of Ti threads around discussing it's pros and cons.
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Old 01-27-22, 07:19 AM
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I've busted steel, aluminum, and magnesium on rides but never a carbon frame on a ride (that's the airlines' job). So there, Wolfbaby, carbon is better.

N = 1
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Old 01-27-22, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
I've busted steel, aluminum, and magnesium on rides but never a carbon frame on a ride (that's the airlines' job). So there, Wolfbaby, carbon is better.

N = 1

I just checked. Once you subtract the water, I'm primarily constructed from carbon.

N=2.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
You didn't even mention cost, but we appear to agree on cost being the main issue with carbon for most people.

I'm not sure you're actually agreeing there. I'm getting from Jax Rhapsody the idea that for most people, the supposed advantages of carbon are not going to be noticeable and relevant to the way they ride. Obviously, that implies those advantages aren't worth paying extra for, but it doesn't imply that carbon would therefore be the superior choice if costs were equal.


Just to be clear, the PVC remarks before were my perhaps poor attempt to parody the anti-carbon rhetoric, so I hope you didn't think I was trying to troll you. I was rather hoping for a similarly absurd attack on steel from your direction.

Like I said before, I find these "debates" more comical than informative.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I'm not sure you're actually agreeing there. I'm getting from Jax Rhapsody the idea that for most people, the supposed advantages of carbon are not going to be noticeable and relevant to the way they ride. Obviously, that implies those advantages aren't worth paying extra for, but it doesn't imply that carbon would therefore be the superior choice if costs were equal.


Just to be clear, the PVC remarks before were my perhaps poor attempt to parody the anti-carbon rhetoric, so I hope you didn't think I was trying to troll you. I was rather hoping for a similarly absurd attack on steel from your direction.

Like I said before, I find these "debates" more comical than informative.
Basically.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
You didn't even mention cost, but we appear to agree on cost being the main issue with carbon for most people.
Cost of carbon isn't an issue for me. I just like steel and I believe that steel is superior to carbon and nobody will convince me otherwise.
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I didn't realise Jax had a post interpreter, lol!
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
I didn't realise Jax had a post interpreter, lol!

Here's my secret agenda, I agree with him and disagree a bit with you. It's a friendly disagreement, but his perspective on this is extremely similar to mine.

I think you're looking at this like an engineer, and there's a lot of objective measures by which carbon fiber is slightly superior, but there's a lot of cost to get those fairly slight advantages. We haven't even touched on the environmental consequences of mass production of frames from a material
that can't be scrapped or recycled. Basically, your judgment that these advantages are worth it is just as subjective as any other.

I will say that I'm under the impression that there is an issue with hidden defects and damage that's worse with carbon frames. All other things being practically equal, I'm picking the material that is easier to check for issues. Is that wrong?

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Old 01-28-22, 11:16 AM
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I like my crabon bicycle. It fits me well, and is suited to the riding I do.

It's very light; I'm old. I find it easy to haul up/down stairs, or in/out of the car on rare occasions.

I am not askeered of it asploding.

It was worth the extra cost ... to me.

The End.
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Hi everyone, I'm new to the site and was wondering are carbon road frames really worth the extra costk
Yes
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