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Old 01-16-22, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Sometimes I'll see a few bikers at rest stops when I'm cycling on the Natchez Trace. If they seem interested in interacting, I'll say something self deprecating like "Well, who's the dumbass in this group?" Makes them feel good about their choice, everyone gets a laugh. Many of them couldn't even walk up some of the hills we cycle regularly.
I do similar. I'll say, "I'm to F'n old for this F'n stuff.....my too old to ride one of them?" The older, wealthier riders on Sunday rides are better than the crotch rocket crowd tearing up the twisties. They are usually intrigued by my all black laidback recumbent and all black kit.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:02 PM
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What would solidarity look like? They go to our meetings and won't cross our picket lines?

I've never been harassed by a biker while riding, honked at or close-passed. Can't say the same about drivers.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gpburdell View Post


lol. Lord, no.

Theyíre laughing at bicyclists doing it the hard way.

in Lycra.

if they even give bicyclists half a thought

(long time motorcyclist riding bicycles a lot more now)
Riding motorcycles since 1975 and road bicycles since 1981. A lot of my moto friends are also cyclists. Whether one has an affinity/understanding of the other is just a matter of the person involved. I don't think I can construct a reasonable assumption one way or the other.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:07 PM
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100 miles into my first 600km brevet, it was 100F, I was alone in the middle of nowhere and had all but decided to quit at the next control. Crawling up a climb, I heard a Harley coming up behind me. The engine slowed as it approached, and i figured nothing good would come of this. The dude came alongside and matched my speed. I ignored him. I'm sure i looked like crap, between road grime, Gatorade stains, and sweat. Finally i looked over. Young guy, beard, no helmet, not exactly friendly looking. He said, loud and clear, "You are bad ass", and roared off. That turned my mood around entirely. "I am bad ass", I thought. I didn't quit at the next control, and finished my first 600k. The next year, I did another super randonneuring series, went to France, and finished Paris Best Paris. Not to be too dramatic, but I do think that boost on the road in rural Illinois was a turning point for me.

I've had a few less friendly interactions with people on motorcycles, but that's just people being who they are.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:27 PM
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I mean, it's a lot harder in a one-on-one scenario to close pass somebody with a 36" wide motorcycle versus an 80" wide Honda Odyssey minivan. You'd literally have to be trying to do it on purpose to be a turd. So not sure that's really any buy in to a friendlier relationship.

Meanwhile, minivans don't really rip country roads at 120mph on Saturday mornings either in a pack of 20.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:31 PM
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I've been a motorcyclist

My second bike shop job was a Schwinn and Honda motorcycles franchise in one building. I already had a 1978 Yamaha SR 500 with a Supertrap. Motorcyclists are such a huge population, they're pretty much on par with drivers in their friendly-ness, ass-wipe-ness, etc. I have been buzzed by a few motorcycles for no good reason other than they could. IME a lot of them hate bicycles for some reason.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:36 PM
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My racing days, mid-'70s ... twice I pulled up to lights in industrial sections of Boston and had a Harley ride pull alongside. That fully leathered rider spent the entire sequence checking out my kit, Italian cycling shoes, Bell helmet ... Not a comfortable feeling; being a skinny bike racer and he outweighing me by 100 pounds and not looking like someone you wanted to mess with. Light turns green. He pulls out - and gives me a thumbs up.

I felt like these were the guys who would stop and step up if I really needed it.
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Old 01-16-22, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I mean, it's a lot harder in a one-on-one scenario to close pass somebody with a 36" wide motorcycle versus an 80" wide Honda Odyssey minivan. You'd literally have to be trying to do it on purpose to be a turd. So not sure that's really any buy in to a friendlier relationship.

Meanwhile, minivans don't really rip country roads at 120mph on Saturday mornings either in a pack of 20.

Right. I think the general rule is complete indifference. But, yes, I've had drivers deliberately make the turd moves, and I've never seen that from a biker. I think jerkwad drivers think they're invulnerable and that empowers them to express their jerkwadiness in a way a jerkwad biker wouldn't.

I've had pleasant interactions on the road with cyclists, bikers and drivers. I think that occurs because there are decent people who operate any type of vehicle. We're not "team cyclist" or "team biker" on the road, we're just people riding two-wheeled vehicles.

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Old 01-16-22, 03:23 PM
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I must add that my first 36 years of life were spent in Michigan and San Francisco. I had pretty much good vibes or indifference from motos until I moved to Paradise, California, in Butte County. Butte County, like anywhere in California when you get off the coast, has a special breed of idiots. As one of my friends said, "It's one thing to be ignorant. It is quite another to be ignorant and proud of it."

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Old 01-16-22, 03:27 PM
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If I have any solidarity it would be with dirt bike riders , off road adventure riders and touring riders...I don't like the racer boys and I don't like their racing machines.
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Old 01-16-22, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
I really don't get the pervasive anti-cycling mindset in our society. The level of outrage and indignation is way out of proportion to any inconvenience that cyclists pose.
It's always been striking to me that the endless vituperative complaints about "idiot walkers on MUPs" in BikeForums threads are spookily identical to complaints about cyclists by motorists.
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Old 01-16-22, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
If I have any solidarity it would be with dirt bike riders , off road adventure riders and touring riders...I don't like the racer boys and I don't like their racing machines.
You're talking about motorcyclists, right?
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Old 01-16-22, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
My racing days, mid-'70s ... twice I pulled up to lights in industrial sections of Boston and had a Harley ride pull alongside. That fully leathered rider spent the entire sequence checking out my kit, Italian cycling shoes, Bell helmet ... Not a comfortable feeling; being a skinny bike racer and he outweighing me by 100 pounds and not looking like someone you wanted to mess with. Light turns green. He pulls out - and gives me a thumbs up.
Reminds me of an encounter some years ago at a red light; a big guy on a motorcycle pulls up next to me and checks out my bike, and finally asks if I want to race. It was much more funny than awkward. We both laughed. Nice guy, he said take it easy or something like that when the light light turned green.
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Old 01-16-22, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
Meanwhile, minivans don't really rip country roads at 120mph on Saturday mornings either in a pack of 20.
You've never watched Soccer Moms of Anarchy?
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Old 01-16-22, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
You're talking about motorcyclists, right?
Yes, that's what this topic is all about.
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Old 01-16-22, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cjenrick View Post
No solidarity with rock climbers either. A favorite place to unleash loud and bothersome exhaust noise is in the Yosemite Valley. The sound echoes off the granite walls for the listening pleasure of those trying to enjoy nature's beauty.
This also annoys the climbers scaling the big walls.
One time a bunch of bikers cruised up to some climbers hanging along the side of the road in Tuolumne Meadows.

One of the bikers looked at rack of gear that rock climber extraordinaire Jim Bridwell was wearing an asked, "what are those carabiners made out of boy?"

Bridwell gave them the stern look and replied "ground up Harley parts."

They got on their bikes and left, smart enough to know they would get their ass whooped by a bunch of climbers.
Reminds me of the time I climbed the Rostrum while being serenaded with the sweet sound of heavy construction equipment building something.

FWIW, I used to have a Honda Trail 90, basically a moped without pedals. I took it climbing anywhere I could (that is, somewhere I didnít need to exceed 35mph to safely get there, and it was almost unstoppable at low speeds off road). It was fun.

I did manage to fit a small crash pad on my scooter on occasion.
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Old 01-16-22, 04:54 PM
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A little OT, but the rail trails here and in NH are maintained by snowmobilers and ATV riders. They keep them scrupulously clean, no litter.
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Touring, yes, MTB, maybe half the time. Otherwise, no. Even accounting for the fact that someone on a motorbike might at some other time also be a person on a bicycle.
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Been a few years since a jerk on a motorcycle yelled at me to “Get the f*** off the road” as he passed on a local street. Not feeling the love before that or since then but no recent specific acts directed towards me on a bike. Sometimes even a friendly wave.
Loud pipes are annoying!
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... cagers. ....
lol.. this term always makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
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Can't say I've felt any love from bikers. They usually ride like c**** where I live.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
What would solidarity look like? They go to our meetings and won't cross our picket lines?

I've never been harassed by a biker while riding, honked at or close-passed. Can't say the same about drivers.
I actually did get very close passed by some bikers doing a large run in NW Montana. There were no other vehicles in sight. I finally pulled over on the small shoulder against the guardrail until they all passed.

Probably the worst encounter ever. The overwhelming majority have been great.
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Old 01-16-22, 07:28 PM
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Having toured a good deal out west, I get the feeling that bikers feel more solidarity with cyclists than cyclists feel bikers. Iíve had a lot of them wave at me or give thumbs up, as if we are cousins or something.

With that said, I have had some nice interactions with them. For example, while descending Independence Pass to Aspen behind a small group the guy at the back pointed out rocks in the road for me.
yeah under normal circumstances I wave at everyone on 2 wheels and bikers wave back atleast as much as roadies
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Ha! I ride motorcycles and am a member of motorcycling forums. On one forum where the moderators let almost anything stand, they have had to shut down several bicycling threads on account of the mess they become. I'd say that the percentage of motorcyclists with negative attitudes toward bicyclists is about like it is across the general population.

I really don't get the pervasive anti-cycling mindset in our society. The level of outrage and indignation is way out of proportion to any inconvenience that cyclists pose.
LOL! Think I've gone through all the prior mentioned notions, emotions and attitudes, over the years/decades.
Not as many years on the Moto, as on the Velo, but pretty close...
2 wheels are a terminal illness.
being a Euro means I like, and hold dear, a lot of things others can;t comprehend.
go to Silverstone, Isle of Man, Misano, Jerez and you'll find the same rabid fans as those on the side of the Alpe de Huiz, Arenberg forest, The Ventoux...
The same crazies who start their year with the 'Dakar' (even though it's now is SA).
I have as many Moto Buddies as I do Velo... many of whom don;t do the 'other'/dark side (to them), but all who appreciate the 2 wheel thing.
As noted by others, once you get into personal space and contact, the similarities are usually celebrated.
Cagers are another thing, there are SO MANY, too many cagers for whom getting in their cage becomes a confrontational thing, once out there.
That's the 800 lb gorilla for most of us 2 wheelers...
given that, my motos, except for one (for multi-day tours) will be sold off this spring... my focus has become more and more, the natural, unpaved world... without the noise.
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