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Old 09-13-21, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
(MUP users are) out there on the trail to relax and have fun. Some of them may use the MUP exclusively for walking or riding because they find roadways intimidating, with good reason. Why expect them to know what "On your left!" means, especially when they hear it when the poster is only three seconds away from passing?
^ This.

MUP user myself, most of the time, where they occur.

Plenty of MUPs near where I live. And most people don't seem to readily "get" the language used. In my own experience, they tend to be surprised by the warning call (whatever it is they imagine was said), then all too frequently jet to one side in fear of being struck.

By far, the safest technique I've been able to employ is: allowing a good 5-7+ seconds prior to ever coming near a person on the MUP, if passing them where they're currently unaware I'm approaching, and not actually passing until they've had sufficient time to register and "settle" into a straight and sane path along the MUP. Rushing upon a person who's looking away then shouting something (even "On your left" or "I'm passing on your left") often doesn't allow a person sufficient time to do anything but react badly to an oncoming collision they fear.

The occasional MUP near me has serious, brightly-painted lane lines dividing the flow of traffic on the MUP, and these seem to be somewhat safer with far fewer people playing the part of the dolt with the head in the clouds. But the narrow, unmarked MUPs where I'm hoping the person won't do the unconscionable seem the worst. It's generally safer on the right hand side of the street, with those "bad" (narrow, unmarked) MUPs.

Of course, then there are the frequent people who demand to walk in the narrow street area instead of the MUP twelve feet away that's designed to keep them safe. As if that makes them safer. (Had a handful of those a few weeks back, sad to say. And their utter indignation at being asked to use the MUP and not clog traffic wasn't taken well by a couple of them.)

Takes all kinds.
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Old 09-13-21, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
I was thinking of an app where you could yell, ‘Hey Siri, Ring Bell!’ and it would ring a bell sound in any Bluetooth headsets nearby. Some MUP users have their music so loud they don’t hear a thing going on around them.
Every bike should be Factory equipped with a proximity sensor that rings a bell, honks a horn and shots loudly "I AM APPROACHING YOU TO PASS YOU SO STAY OUT OF MY WAY"

Would like to see the WRITTEN STATUTE mentioning that the overtaking bicycle rider MUST ANNOUNCE. Pretty cool if that was the "RULES OF THE ROAD" for vehicles. Here a HONK, There a HONK, everywhere a HONK-HONK
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Old 09-14-21, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy View Post
Every bike should be Factory equipped with a proximity sensor that rings a bell, honks a horn and shots loudly "I AM APPROACHING YOU TO PASS YOU SO STAY OUT OF MY WAY"

Would like to see the WRITTEN STATUTE mentioning that the overtaking bicycle rider MUST ANNOUNCE. Pretty cool if that was the "RULES OF THE ROAD" for vehicles. Here a HONK, There a HONK, everywhere a HONK-HONK
I already posted the Illinois "written statute.". No thanks on the car rule.
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Old 09-14-21, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I already posted the Illinois "written statute.". No thanks on the car rule.
I found the following that you posted and was wondering if it is what you are referring to?

... Sec. 11-1512. Bicycles on sidewalks. (a) A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian....

The statute states " ... shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian... " but does not mention coming upon another bicycle.
Is that reference elsewhere and I just did not see it?

TIA
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Old 09-14-21, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Bluetooth doesn't work that way. No one would want it to work that way.
You would need a new BT protocol where you add an extra mode to allow emergency broadcasts or something like that with a opt-in/out option.
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Old 09-14-21, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy View Post
I found the following that you posted and was wondering if it is what you are referring to?

... Sec. 11-1512. Bicycles on sidewalks. (a) A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian....

The statute states " ... shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian... " but does not mention coming upon another bicycle.
Is that reference elsewhere and I just did not see it?

TIA
It also states that bicyclists on sidewalks have the same rights and responsibilities as pedestrians. As a cyclist on a sidewalk, therefore, you have a right to have other cyclists announce their passes. I already laid this out once in this thread (post 117), so I'm going to pass on any more cross examination from you on this. If you have further questions, read my previous posts. I'm done.

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Old 09-14-21, 06:49 AM
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Why take the chance

Rather than trying to assign blame, think about accident avoidance. Whenever I approach another cyclist, they know I'm there maybe 20-30 feet before. Then I give wide bearth. It maybe a bit overkill but roadrash and destroyed equipment are preventable with some heads up riding.
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Old 09-14-21, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
You would need a new BT protocol where you add an extra mode to allow emergency broadcasts or something like that with a opt-in/out option.
​​​​​Sounds like a terrible idea.

No one would opt-in and it's too easily abused.

Imagine what "fun" it would be to be able to use this feature in an airplane.

You'd also have no idea where the noise originated from (making it mostly useless).

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Old 09-14-21, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
I think you need to brush up on your rules of the road. The vehicle being overtaken has right of way. You have no one to blame but yourself.
You are very much at fault. Rules of the road are to announce to the rider in front that you are passing them on the left. Not good. That said, you are not in a group by yourself. I am often passed by experienced bikers that don't practice this.
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Old 09-14-21, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
​​​​​Sounds like a terrible idea.

No one would opt-in and it's too easily abused.

Imagine what "fun" it would be to be able to use this feature in an airplane.

You'd also have no idea where the noise originated from (making it mostly useless).

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Are you saying people are basically jerks? How disappointing.
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Old 09-14-21, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
Are you saying people are basically jerks? How disappointing.
You only need a few jerks to spoil things.
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Old 09-14-21, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You only need a few jerks to spoil things.
Prime example - the hassle required prior to boarding a commercial airplane as a result of the actions of an infinitesimally small number of jerks. It used to be flying was an enjoyable way to travel; now not so much.
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Old 09-15-21, 08:28 AM
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You were going too slow. If you passed him at 20mph, you would have been long gone when he did the u turn.
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Old 09-15-21, 03:31 PM
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Crashed - who screwed up.

Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
I think if I rode on a MUP I would have a bell and use it often. Easy to see how you could collide with a random U turn.
I agree and it is the law. A bell gets attention. Courtesy would be to say which side you are on. Also breaking the I am silent and invisible rule. Which is: Always consider that you are always silent and invisible.
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Old 09-15-21, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvo View Post
I'd say 90% their fault, 10% your fault. Unless there is evidence to the contrary, I assume everyone that I pass is a complete moron and announce my passing.
^^^^ This....

...plus I always slow down and use caution anyway. I always assume I'm about to encounter someone who's about to do something dumb.

I've had joggers pull that crap on me. On an MUP/MUT very recently there was an older couple I was coming up on from behind as I was coming down off a freeway overcrossing (so my speed might have been up above a bit over normal). About 10 yards away I announced my presence ("On your left" or, maybe, it was "Bike on your left!"). They appeared to move to the right...for a moment. The husband (I assume), moved across the trail in front of me to get over to a side trail. Unsafe move but not critical. If that wasn't bad enough, at the last possible moment he reached over, grabbed his wife and pulled her across right in front of me. If I hadn't assumed this guy was about to do something stupid I wouldn't have swerved at that last moment and all 3 of us would have gone down. Someone(s) would have been severely hurt.

This was in the SF Bay Area where people are supposed to be intelligent. However, doesn't matter race, color, religion, gender, etc. etc. people do stupid things and lack the common sense to avoid creating risky and hazardous situations.

Like I imply (or is that "infer") in my signature...always assume the worst possible thing and make alternate plans to avoid that outcome.

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Old 09-15-21, 03:37 PM
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Crashed - who screwed up?

Consider that anyone on a bike with at least one foot on the ground is a pedestrian. They automatically have right of way.
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Old 09-15-21, 04:00 PM
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Constantly complaining about things that will not change is pointless.
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Old 09-19-21, 06:46 PM
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You aren’t at fault

Originally Posted by mwaldin View Post
You are very much at fault. Rules of the road are to announce to the rider in front that you are passing them on the left. Not good. That said, you are not in a group by yourself. I am often passed by experienced bikers that don't practice this.
The other guy did a u-turn in front of you without looking. He’s at fault.

I had the same exact thing happen to me on a motorcycle and a car decided to do a U-turn with a fake to parallel park. He was 100% at fault.

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