Brompton: How can I widen the rear wheels to stop the bike falling over?
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Brompton: How can I widen the rear wheels to stop the bike falling over?
My Brompton spends a lot of time with the back wheel flipped under the frame. I have the rear rack. It's not very stable in this position. I noticed that one of the rear wheels on the rack (rear when the bike is riding) is fitted on the inside of the rack. I swapped it to the outside, to make the wheels a little wider.
I'd like to make that set of wheels even wider. Maybe an extra 10cm at each side. Width at the back of the rear rack won't interfere with my feet when pedalling, and could make the bike very stable when standing. But I can't find anything on the internet about making this modification. I've searched a few times over a year or so.
Any advice? Anyone else tried this? Is it obviously a stupid idea for a reason that I've failed to grasp? :-)
I'd like to make that set of wheels even wider. Maybe an extra 10cm at each side. Width at the back of the rear rack won't interfere with my feet when pedalling, and could make the bike very stable when standing. But I can't find anything on the internet about making this modification. I've searched a few times over a year or so.
Any advice? Anyone else tried this? Is it obviously a stupid idea for a reason that I've failed to grasp? :-)
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My Brompton spends a lot of time with the back wheel flipped under the frame. I have the rear rack. It's not very stable in this position. I noticed that one of the rear wheels on the rack (rear when the bike is riding) is fitted on the inside of the rack. I swapped it to the outside, to make the wheels a little wider.
I'd like to make that set of wheels even wider. Maybe an extra 10cm at each side. Width at the back of the rear rack won't interfere with my feet when pedalling, and could make the bike very stable when standing. But I can't find anything on the internet about making this modification. I've searched a few times over a year or so.
Any advice? Anyone else tried this? Is it obviously a stupid idea for a reason that I've failed to grasp? :-)
I'd like to make that set of wheels even wider. Maybe an extra 10cm at each side. Width at the back of the rear rack won't interfere with my feet when pedalling, and could make the bike very stable when standing. But I can't find anything on the internet about making this modification. I've searched a few times over a year or so.
Any advice? Anyone else tried this? Is it obviously a stupid idea for a reason that I've failed to grasp? :-)
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Make sure the wheels are on the outside of the rack..I have seen some where they are fitted on the inside of the rack on the supporting members that stick out from the rack..You could simply put a longer bolt on the right hand of the rear rack ..say half an inch longer and fix the wheel on there..The Brompton tends to fall over on that side with a rack because it is a bit lopsided when folded..This doesn't tend to happen when there is no rack fitted..
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The left rear rack wheel is fitted on the inside of the rack to keep its depth dimension shallower, and perhaps to protect the wheel - for example when folded and lying on its side. If you don't mind an increase in the depth dimension, then sure you can flip the wheel to the outside to match right rear wheel. You could also use longer bolts and spacers on both sides to widen the track.
There's also the X-roller mod for front wheels, but only increases track on the right side, and was really only intended for stability during shopping cart mode, and parked while folded. It will still fall over in one direction in kickstand mode.
There's also the X-roller mod for front wheels, but only increases track on the right side, and was really only intended for stability during shopping cart mode, and parked while folded. It will still fall over in one direction in kickstand mode.
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After market, made for B's in Asia, (not By the company in UK), there es a piece replacing the 2 rear frame wheels ,
and one wheel pulls out wider temporarily ,on a telescoping shaft.. making it wider..
and one wheel pulls out wider temporarily ,on a telescoping shaft.. making it wider..
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I'm trying to find a good lightweight kickstand - but all stuff for Brompton's is not cheap and the best I can find is £65
Multiply UK £'s x 1.5 = US $'s approximately
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not cheap - about £65 plus the cost of wheels - made in the Far East, so add carriage, (sometimes) and if you are unlucky import duties
I'm trying to find a good lightweight kickstand - but all stuff for Brompton's is not cheap and the best I can find is £65
Multiply UK £'s x 1.5 = US $'s approximately
I'm trying to find a good lightweight kickstand - but all stuff for Brompton's is not cheap and the best I can find is £65
Multiply UK £'s x 1.5 = US $'s approximately
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but you don't want to put anything "cheap looking" on a Brompton!!
The Brompton rack seem the best value out there at £80
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I am in the process of buying a rack myself but I am thinking about getting a after market one that somebody here has used for some time.
There has been some talk about the "no rack no fender" B`s (are they called E?) falling over and some gadget to put between the hook and the rear stay to lift the front axel a bit up when folded. Not sure if this makes a difference with the bikes with rack and fender. You could look into it, like cutting open a 1" piece of the rubberhose used in car cooling systems or similar and hook it over the stay under the hook. If it works better than without you could make or buy something less crappy looking for long term use. I think I remember you can buy a "fatter" plastic hook or a plastic or alu piece to atatch to the rear stay. Not super expensive the last time i looked.
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For sure
I am in the process of buying a rack myself but I am thinking about getting a after market one that somebody here has used for some time.
There has been some talk about the "no rack no fender" B`s (are they called E?) falling over and some gadget to put between the hook and the rear stay to lift the front axel a bit up when folded. Not sure if this makes a difference with the bikes with rack and fender. You could look into it, like cutting open a 1" piece of the rubberhose used in car cooling systems or similar and hook it over the stay under the hook. If it works better than without you could make or buy something less crappy looking for long term use. I think I remember you can buy a "fatter" plastic hook or a plastic or alu piece to atatch to the rear stay. Not super expensive the last time i looked.
I am in the process of buying a rack myself but I am thinking about getting a after market one that somebody here has used for some time.
There has been some talk about the "no rack no fender" B`s (are they called E?) falling over and some gadget to put between the hook and the rear stay to lift the front axel a bit up when folded. Not sure if this makes a difference with the bikes with rack and fender. You could look into it, like cutting open a 1" piece of the rubberhose used in car cooling systems or similar and hook it over the stay under the hook. If it works better than without you could make or buy something less crappy looking for long term use. I think I remember you can buy a "fatter" plastic hook or a plastic or alu piece to atatch to the rear stay. Not super expensive the last time i looked.
I keep searching Ebay for a kickstand for a 16" Bike - lightweight and fixing to the drop out - but I have not found a suitable one...... kickstands on eBay are cheap, (under £10), but it is finding the right one
There is a rack on Ebay at the moment - made in the Far East - no fender needed - but it is still approaching £90 once you add wheels and more if you add 4 wheels
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BROMPTON-...53.m1438.l2649
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Greenfield rear mount kickstand is superior to the lighter kickstands for stability. However, there is an interference with the stock pump. I changed pumps to a lezyne stored in the seatpost.
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Thanks I saw that - I think that there are sometimes available on eBay in the UK - but as you say there is the pump problem and it's not the most attractive
This is the one that is sometimes on eBay in the UK - the seller must import them - £65 - made in Japan
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Thanks I saw that - I think that there are sometimes available on eBay in the UK - but as you say there is the pump problem and it's not the most attractive
This is the one that is sometimes on eBay in the UK - the seller must import them - £65 - made in Japan
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I have since moved on to expensive ones, but this one worked fine as long as you did not overload the front bag. I tried some that mounted on the chainstay but it was difficult to prevent them from rotating around the round chainstay and I gave up.
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Wow, thanks for all the replies folks. I hadn't properly configured email notifications, so only saw the messages today.
@Bonzo Banana: Great pic! I was thinking about extending just the little roller wheel by 10cm horizontally. Now you've got me thinking about an amphibious
@tudorowen1: Good suggestion. I have the wheel on the outside. Longer bolt may well be the simplest solution.
@reppans: I realised after posting the thread, that the wheel is probably on the inside to reduce the folded size of the bike. If I put a fixed extension on that side, the bike will always be 10cm wider. Hmm. Not ideal.
@fietsbob: Awesome, an aftermarket telescopic bolt sounds like it might be the perfect option! Thanks. Is it the one on aliexpress from shouthoutai you were thinking about? (I can't post the URL as I'm a new user on this forum!) Definitely interesting. Import duties are a nightmare in Germany, but maybe worth the headache. Will investigate.
Wow, lots of interesting brompton options on aliexpress. Guess I'm gonna spend a few evenings trawling around there looking at upgrade options! :-)
@Bonzo Banana: Great pic! I was thinking about extending just the little roller wheel by 10cm horizontally. Now you've got me thinking about an amphibious
@tudorowen1: Good suggestion. I have the wheel on the outside. Longer bolt may well be the simplest solution.
@reppans: I realised after posting the thread, that the wheel is probably on the inside to reduce the folded size of the bike. If I put a fixed extension on that side, the bike will always be 10cm wider. Hmm. Not ideal.
@fietsbob: Awesome, an aftermarket telescopic bolt sounds like it might be the perfect option! Thanks. Is it the one on aliexpress from shouthoutai you were thinking about? (I can't post the URL as I'm a new user on this forum!) Definitely interesting. Import duties are a nightmare in Germany, but maybe worth the headache. Will investigate.
Wow, lots of interesting brompton options on aliexpress. Guess I'm gonna spend a few evenings trawling around there looking at upgrade options! :-)
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@fietsbob: Awesome, an aftermarket telescopic bolt sounds like it might be the perfect option! Thanks. Is it the one on aliexpress from shouthoutai you were thinking about? (I can't post the URL as I'm a new user on this forum!) Definitely interesting. Import duties are a nightmare in Germany, but maybe worth the headache. Will investigate.
Wow, lots of interesting brompton options on aliexpress. Guess I'm gonna spend a few evenings trawling around there looking at upgrade options! :-)
We have the import duties where I am too and then you have to pay a fee to be allowed to pay the tax...
Brompton is "big" in Germany and in EU so I am sure it can be possible to find locally.
Also look into the solutions for the E brompton I posted about in a different thread. I think I got your thread and another posters thread mixed up when I posted about this solution. I did not try it myself but it is about lifting the hook on the front axel up a bit when folded to get a better weight distribution on the bike- it is leaning less to one side. You can try it by just making up some cheap piece for testing and then buy if you like the solution.
Folding Hook Pillow for E-type Brompton - Brombacher
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Thats a trade off, Health Care costs are a life threatening nightmare in the US, you get that for a better deal in Germany..
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@fietsbob: Awesome, an aftermarket telescopic bolt sounds like it might be the perfect option! Thanks. Is it the one on aliexpress from shouthoutai you were thinking about? (I can't post the URL as I'm a new user on this forum!) Definitely interesting. Import duties are a nightmare in Germany, but maybe worth the headache. Will investigate.
Also look into the solutions for the E brompton I posted about in a different thread. I think I got your thread and another posters thread mixed up when I posted about this solution. I did not try it myself but it is about lifting the hook on the front axel up a bit when folded to get a better weight distribution on the bike- it is leaning less to one side. You can try it by just making up some cheap piece for testing and then buy if you like the solution.
Folding Hook Pillow for E-type Brompton - Brombacher
Folding Hook Pillow for E-type Brompton - Brombacher
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@badmother: Hahaha, a fee to pay the tax! I once spent ~4h picking up a package at customs here in Berlin. I swore never again! If I understood correctly, the folding hook pillow only applies when the front wheel is folded back. I'm trying to get the bike to be more stable when it's in "kick stand" mode, so I don't think it would apply to my situation.
@reppans: Gotcha. The telescopic bolt is indeed on the wrong side. Good point. Indeed my bike falls over to the left side, no the right. I was assuming I could mount the telescopic side of the bolt on the left, but that might not be possible. I'll do some more digging. Thanks.
Update: Hmm, seems the telescopic x-mod could be mounted in either direction. However, it ends up at the back of the bike in kickstand mode, which will have less of a stability upgrade. Then it ends up in the path of my feet when the bike is unfolded. So I would need to pull it out and put it back in every single time I stop.
I was hoping for something that would extend at the back of the rack. Then it would be out of the way while riding. I would only need to disable it in when the bike is fully folded. A longer bolt might work, just it wouldn't be possible to disable.
Thanks for all the feedback. My search continues... :-)
@reppans: Gotcha. The telescopic bolt is indeed on the wrong side. Good point. Indeed my bike falls over to the left side, no the right. I was assuming I could mount the telescopic side of the bolt on the left, but that might not be possible. I'll do some more digging. Thanks.
Update: Hmm, seems the telescopic x-mod could be mounted in either direction. However, it ends up at the back of the bike in kickstand mode, which will have less of a stability upgrade. Then it ends up in the path of my feet when the bike is unfolded. So I would need to pull it out and put it back in every single time I stop.
I was hoping for something that would extend at the back of the rack. Then it would be out of the way while riding. I would only need to disable it in when the bike is fully folded. A longer bolt might work, just it wouldn't be possible to disable.
Thanks for all the feedback. My search continues... :-)
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...kickstand...
Thanks I saw that - I think that there are sometimes available on eBay in the UK - but as you say there is the pump problem and it's not the most attractive
This is the one that is sometimes on eBay in the UK - the seller must import them - £65 - made in Japan
Thanks I saw that - I think that there are sometimes available on eBay in the UK - but as you say there is the pump problem and it's not the most attractive
This is the one that is sometimes on eBay in the UK - the seller must import them - £65 - made in Japan
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That's a lot for a kickstand. The German Brompton importer sells one - it is 26€ and available from any Brompton dealer in Germany for around 26€. In fact it is a Humpert X-act Lilliput that can be bought on Amazon for 10€. I do not know if there's any difference to the version of the importer but would not expect so. Did not try this kickstand myself as I do not have the need.
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The German Brompton importer sells one - it is 26€ and available from any Brompton dealer in Germany for around 26€. In fact it is a Humpert X-act Lilliput that can be bought on Amazon for 10€. I do not know if there's any difference to the version of the importer but would not expect so. Did not try this kickstand myself as I do not have the need.
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Greenfield kickstand is more stable and not expensive. It uses similar design to Humpert. $17 shippedhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/KICKSTAND-GREENFIELD-SKS2B-285mm-REAR-MOUNT-BLK/352050867486?epid=2255361342&hash=item51f7dded1e:g8sAAOSwI8laAenw
This type of stand is more stable because its leg stands out further away the smaller ones. Two downsides. One, twice as heavy as Minoura. Two, you will need to find another way to hold your pump. I you a Leyzrne in seat tube.
This type of stand is more stable because its leg stands out further away the smaller ones. Two downsides. One, twice as heavy as Minoura. Two, you will need to find another way to hold your pump. I you a Leyzrne in seat tube.