Opinion on Dodgy Head Tube Cut
03-07-23, 01:54 PM
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Opinion on Dodgy Head Tube Cut
This frame on eBay is calling my name. Would that little cut on the head tube be an issue with installing a headset?
03-07-23, 02:28 PM
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I wouldn't touch it. At best it's a weak spot for holding the bearing race in place. At worst it's a potential split or crack, especially if the seating of the race starts to loosen.
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03-07-23, 03:46 PM
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If it's only $20 they want for it, it might be worth getting and seeing if it ever becomes an issue. Otherwise I'd hold out for something a little more pristine.
03-07-23, 04:16 PM
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If you decide to buy it, you should consider "stop drilling" the end of that notch so that a crack is less likely to propagate. Stresses will concentrate at that sharp corner, making the radius larger will reduce this.
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03-07-23, 04:44 PM
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Round out the corners of the cut and weld it. Have a shop face the tube and you have a frame that will probably go for a lot of years. The only issue is the cost of operations, likely could exceed the value of the frame.
03-07-23, 05:11 PM
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If you have access to a head tube mill, you can quickly mill it down to below the cut and have a nice cheap frame.
Of course, assuming the defect isn’t an indication of poor quality throughout.
If I had the components, ie. to transfer from a crashed bike, I'd go for it.
Of course, assuming the defect isn’t an indication of poor quality throughout.
If I had the components, ie. to transfer from a crashed bike, I'd go for it.
03-07-23, 08:38 PM
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A shop may even do it for less than $40 because it is just aluminum.
I'm assuming that the notch got there because someone wasn't paying attention with a saw or had to cut out a frozen headset - not some sort of crack or defect.
03-07-23, 09:36 PM
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It's only very slightly burnt. And like with toast it's easily saved by scraping off the burnt part.
A few minutes with a head tube facer and it's like new. The frame is $20, add the cost of the milling, and decide if it's worth to you. Hopefully there's a local bike co-op so the expense is nominal.
In fact, with decent hand skill, you can do the job with a hand file, tri-square, and Sharpie. $20 for a frame, and a learning experience. If you fail with the file, you still have the H/T mill as a fallback.
A few minutes with a head tube facer and it's like new. The frame is $20, add the cost of the milling, and decide if it's worth to you. Hopefully there's a local bike co-op so the expense is nominal.
In fact, with decent hand skill, you can do the job with a hand file, tri-square, and Sharpie. $20 for a frame, and a learning experience. If you fail with the file, you still have the H/T mill as a fallback.
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I agree. I can’t imagine where the force would come from to propagate that cut. What if it did turn into a crack? Do people think the frame would eventually split in half lengthwise during a ride? Lots of folks here who are way too skittish.
03-08-23, 12:44 PM
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I would have no problem using it. That aluminum is beefy.
Again, if the crack propagates on a ride, what exactly do you think will happen? What is the progression of events until we get to the unnamed catastrophe that a lot of folks here feel will be the end for this frame? Does it explode? Does the fork fall out? Does the bike split lengthwise, like that car in the old Candid Camera routine?
Again, if the crack propagates on a ride, what exactly do you think will happen? What is the progression of events until we get to the unnamed catastrophe that a lot of folks here feel will be the end for this frame? Does it explode? Does the fork fall out? Does the bike split lengthwise, like that car in the old Candid Camera routine?
03-08-23, 01:49 PM
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Great answers everybody. Thanks. The seller wants $495 (Colnago dream frame)
03-08-23, 01:55 PM
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The cut wouldn't bother me if the frame was cheap enough, but there's something odd going on with the other side of that head tube, and the tool marks inside it are also puzzling.
03-08-23, 01:57 PM
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$495 + facing to below the saw cut. Done. (If that frame is worth that much to you.) My first thought long before I got to FB's post. You now have the chance to get 1/8" more aero with the bars slammed.
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Why isn't anybody asking WTH happened to this bike?? I see the whole right side is scratched. What the hell necessitated the guy sawing the cup off??
As is, there would be NO tension on the headset with that gouge. Is anybody really dumb enough to go ride with a loose steerer??
Yah it's possible to take off that 4 mm.
Post pics of the whole bike.
I can't sell brand new stuff, but here I see all kinds of broken frames getting bought. WTF.
As is, there would be NO tension on the headset with that gouge. Is anybody really dumb enough to go ride with a loose steerer??
Yah it's possible to take off that 4 mm.
Post pics of the whole bike.
I can't sell brand new stuff, but here I see all kinds of broken frames getting bought. WTF.
03-08-23, 02:51 PM
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Why isn't anybody asking WTH happened to this bike?? I see the whole right side is scratched. What the hell necessitated the guy sawing the cup off??
As is, there would be NO tension on the headset with that gouge. Is anybody really dumb enough to go ride with a loose steerer??
Yah it's possible to take off that 4 mm.
As is, there would be NO tension on the headset with that gouge. Is anybody really dumb enough to go ride with a loose steerer??
Yah it's possible to take off that 4 mm.
03-08-23, 04:52 PM
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