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Shimano SL-7800 downtube shift levers wanted.
Have SL-7401 pair to trade, or a large number of other items.
Thanks,
Brent
Have SL-7401 pair to trade, or a large number of other items.
Thanks,
Brent
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I started rebuilding yet another bicycle and of course have hit some obstacles. Firstly, the frame seems to be Italian (70mm BB shell). I had huge problems removing the cranks (originally some low-tier Ofmega and LH crank had to go) and I'm still having issues with removing the drive-side cup of the BB (yes, I tried unscrewing it counter-clockwise). Eventually, I thought I might just leave the RH cup on and reuse the spindle with the crankset I'm planing to use (Shimano FC-1056 which I have). The problem is the spindle is 130mm (!!!) and probably ISO, not JIS. It might still work, but it will be way too long to get the chainline anywhere near to where it needs to be (FC-1056 requires roughly 109mm spindle). If I were able to remove the RH cup, there's no problem. One can still buy even Shimano cartridge BBs in 70mm width and many spindle lengths with JIS taper. But because I might not be able to remove the RH cup, I am now looking for a spindle to use with the existing BB cups. anything between 109-111, perhaps even 113mm length and JIS taper would be great. Even ISO taper might be ok. I'm happy to buy one from someone based in the UK or EU. I do have a few items I could trade, but nothing special (I think SR Laprade, NOS in 26.8mm, some new toe clips and straps, that sort of stuff).
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I had huge problems removing the cranks (originally some low-tier Ofmega and LH crank had to go) and I'm still having issues with removing the drive-side cup of the BB (yes, I tried unscrewing it counter-clockwise).
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Shell width is not a reliable indicator of bottom bracket shell thread spec. Are there any markings on the cups? Measuring the inside diameter of the threaded portion of the shell, or the outside diameter of the threads on the cup can distinguish Italian thread from English/French/Swiss: Italian thread will have 36mm diameter, the others 35mm.
Right-hand thread fixed cups (i.e., Italian and French thread) tend to be installed very tight to prevent precessional loosening, and a shop-quality tool may be required to get them out, e.g. Campagnolo #793/A, VAR #30, Hozan C-358.
Right-hand thread fixed cups (i.e., Italian and French thread) tend to be installed very tight to prevent precessional loosening, and a shop-quality tool may be required to get them out, e.g. Campagnolo #793/A, VAR #30, Hozan C-358.
That tool would be great, but quick search got me the price in the ball park of $450 with customs and shipping for the Campy version. The only tools I have for BB are for Shimano standard (multiple splines) or just a standard adjustable wrench (which was fine for BBs on my other bicycles, which are Swiss threaded) and that is part of a problem. Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool. Overall, search for a replacement spindle seems to be the least headache-inducing way out of this, especially that the frame itself is not in any way valuable or worth investing too much time and money into it.
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Measuring the LH diameter of the BB shell returns 35.5 mm (35.6 for the outside diameter of the cup). I understand BSA shell should be nearer 33.7mm (or thereabouts). There are no markings on the cups or spindle. Absolutely nothing.
That tool would be great, but quick search got me the price in the ball park of $450 with customs and shipping for the Campy version. The only tools I have for BB are for Shimano standard (multiple splines) or just a standard adjustable wrench (which was fine for BBs on my other bicycles, which are Swiss threaded) and that is part of a problem. Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool. Overall, search for a replacement spindle seems to be the least headache-inducing way out of this, especially that the frame itself is not in any way valuable or worth investing too much time and money into it.
That tool would be great, but quick search got me the price in the ball park of $450 with customs and shipping for the Campy version. The only tools I have for BB are for Shimano standard (multiple splines) or just a standard adjustable wrench (which was fine for BBs on my other bicycles, which are Swiss threaded) and that is part of a problem. Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool. Overall, search for a replacement spindle seems to be the least headache-inducing way out of this, especially that the frame itself is not in any way valuable or worth investing too much time and money into it.
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Measuring the LH diameter of the BB shell returns 35.5 mm (35.6 for the outside diameter of the cup). I understand BSA shell should be nearer 33.7mm (or thereabouts). There are no markings on the cups or spindle. Absolutely nothing.
That tool would be great, but quick search got me the price in the ball park of $450 with customs and shipping for the Campy version. The only tools I have for BB are for Shimano standard (multiple splines) or just a standard adjustable wrench (which was fine for BBs on my other bicycles, which are Swiss threaded) and that is part of a problem. Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool. Overall, search for a replacement spindle seems to be the least headache-inducing way out of this, especially that the frame itself is not in any way valuable or worth investing too much time and money into it.
That tool would be great, but quick search got me the price in the ball park of $450 with customs and shipping for the Campy version. The only tools I have for BB are for Shimano standard (multiple splines) or just a standard adjustable wrench (which was fine for BBs on my other bicycles, which are Swiss threaded) and that is part of a problem. Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool. Overall, search for a replacement spindle seems to be the least headache-inducing way out of this, especially that the frame itself is not in any way valuable or worth investing too much time and money into it.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
Might be worth a try. Parts to fabricate same certainly won't cost $450.
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Regarding BB tools: have you seen this (about 1/3 from end of article)?
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
Might be worth a try. Parts to fabricate same certainly won't cost $450.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
Might be worth a try. Parts to fabricate same certainly won't cost $450.
Just stumbled upon some cheap NOS Shimano italian threaded bottom bracket which seems to be roughly the right size. So here's hoping I will find a way of removing the existing one.
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I tried something similar before, though with a length of pipe instead the spring washers. Perhaps spring washers are the way to go? I might give it another try and pop out to my local ironmonger.
Just stumbled upon some cheap NOS Shimano italian threaded bottom bracket which seems to be roughly the right size. So here's hoping I will find a way of removing the existing one.
Just stumbled upon some cheap NOS Shimano italian threaded bottom bracket which seems to be roughly the right size. So here's hoping I will find a way of removing the existing one.
Cheers,
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Adjustable spanner doesn't offer much of a purchase on the cup. So I would have to figure out some thinner wrench with a corect diameter and a way of attaching it onto the cup so that it stays in place. Maybe I have to find a piece of some decent steel and try to manufacture some custom tool.
https://steintool.com/portfolio-item...-wrench-clamp/
It is designed to work with a cotterless BB axle. If your bike uses a cottered axle, you could temporarily use a cotterless axle to hold the tool while you extract the cup.
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thanks to mrv for the helicomatic tool - worked great and i got the broken plastic piece off. however, i've decided to go a different route for this particular bike. i used a 27 araya gold anodized wheelset i had, lighter and matches the motobecane grand touring (dark blue with gold paint) quite nicely.
anyone looking for a 27 rear wheel with maillard helico-matic hub and 14-34t freewheel with weinmann concave rim?
anyone looking for a 27 rear wheel with maillard helico-matic hub and 14-34t freewheel with weinmann concave rim?
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while we're at it, i'm looking for a front triple simplex derailleur to match this rear for a px10le. and retrofriction shifters!
i'd also be open to a set of front and rear simplex derailleurs with long cage, but those tend to be hard to find and pricey.
i'd also be open to a set of front and rear simplex derailleurs with long cage, but those tend to be hard to find and pricey.
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Braze-on or clamp/banded? For the retrofrictions...
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J.A. Stein offers a tool that will clamp a typical fixed cup spanner against the cup:
https://steintool.com/portfolio-item...-wrench-clamp/
It is designed to work with a cotterless BB axle. If your bike uses a cottered axle, you could temporarily use a cotterless axle to hold the tool while you extract the cup.
https://steintool.com/portfolio-item...-wrench-clamp/
It is designed to work with a cotterless BB axle. If your bike uses a cottered axle, you could temporarily use a cotterless axle to hold the tool while you extract the cup.
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Actually, it's a good idea with oversized flat washers for holding wrenches and spanners. Now when I think about it, they actually had some fairly big square ones which might be very useful for this purpose.
As for the tool in picture, it gives me an idea of using a crank puller. I have a rubbish one which with a washer could do exactly the same thing.
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And consider front cable routing, you may want to look for a front mech with a cable-stop.
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do you have one you recommend? send a pic of the rd thx
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[posting because I seem to remember not having enough posts to reply to pm)
Ok, do you need dropout or claw mount? Depending I may have to swap bits over from another Simplex;
and the alloy bodied one has no nameplate.
Ok, do you need dropout or claw mount? Depending I may have to swap bits over from another Simplex;
and the alloy bodied one has no nameplate.
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thanks but i think i might stick with this one and just try to find a front derailleur, unless someone is selling like a matching set or something
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I also had good luck getting Retrofriction shifters on ebay.fr (in one case some essential bits were missing, but even after sourcing those bits from Wayne @ veloclassique they were still a good deal).
Retrofrictions + SLJ mechs (esp a GT RD..) = tres bien
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Just an FYI- I’ve successfully run triples with two SLJ FDs that aren’t triple-specific (ie, don’t have the bigger inboard cage plate).
I also had good luck getting Retrofriction shifters on ebay.fr (in one case some essential bits were missing, but even after sourcing those bits from Wayne @ veloclassique they were still a good deal).
Retrofrictions + SLJ mechs (esp a GT RD..) = tres bien
I also had good luck getting Retrofriction shifters on ebay.fr (in one case some essential bits were missing, but even after sourcing those bits from Wayne @ veloclassique they were still a good deal).
Retrofrictions + SLJ mechs (esp a GT RD..) = tres bien
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ISO Mafac adjuster....
Anone have an extra of these lying around? I just need one. (I know I can find 'em on eBay & from Rustines, just figured I'd check here first......)
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And if the nose breaks (as they often do), send it to me and I'll send you back one with a bit of stainless tube silver-soldered in - which will not break.
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