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Old 11-11-22, 10:28 AM
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The Marinoni is pending a sale in the Sales forum, but I want to make sure everyone still gets to see the progress. Both of us feel it would be advisable to clean the rust flaking off, re-evaluate the tubing, and if safe, silver-braze the area for safety.

I don't have a tub to do a full OA bath, but this gets close enough to the trouble area:





Wasn't planning on putting the fork in the mix, but it was there, so, why not? Didn't dunk the crown as I'm worried about cracking that Shimano 600 crown race.

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Initial cleanup. I'm feeling better about it already.







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Mike and I cleaned the downtube up a bit more and ultimately realized the pitting wasn't really all that bad; definitely not significant enough to put silver everywhere. There's a point where slathering it all over just doesn't make sense.



We found two pits - not holes, pits - that deserved filling:



I hit it with primer this evening to see how bad it is. With exception to extremely light pits that would be better served with a bit of high-build primer, it's fine.

Definitely glad to have taken this one down to the steel. Wouldn't have felt comfortable otherwise. Plus, so long as this is sealed up in future, it staves off future rot too.
















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Looks good and it gives me reassurance too. Thank you. I'd still like to buy it. Let me know how to pay you.
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The Nobly got was treated to a very quick Box O'Crap rebuild / rethink today for the Altenburger Synchron Bushing Experiment - you can read up about that in this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...xperiment.html



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"And, of course, it's dead.
Every aluminum stem that isn't Japanese becomes a Death Stem if you wait long enough."

Just so a newby can learn, what is the picture showing? What exactly is wrong with this stem?

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Originally Posted by Macguyver909
"And, of course, it's dead.
Every aluminum stem that isn't Japanese becomes a Death Stem if you wait long enough."

Just so a newby can learn, what is the picture showing? What exactly is wrong with this stem?

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It might show up a bit poorly due to the phone's post-processing of the image, but look at the serrated press-fit nut (the one on the bottom of the stem), then look down the center of the stem where this nut is inserted. You'll see a hairline fracture in the aluminum from the serrated nut having placed an expanding force on the aluminum itself.

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Excellent news - the Voyageur is going to live. Mike had me check the fork on his fork table (think frame table with a clamp for a headtube), and we got it straightened out. Built it back up this afternoon. It has a known-perfect front wheel installed for now; the 27" wheel needs a bit of redishing.



Some "cheapest decent bar tape on Amazon" bar tape:



I wound up parting the Deore mechs out (have to recoup my expenses out of this thing somehow), so replaced the RD with an Acera from the LBS. One of three - all of them were damaged in one way or another, and so built two from the remains.

FD is a 105 that doesn't want to play nice. Pretty sure it's the wrong FD for the gearing I have on it at present.



For being a formerly wrecked rustbucket, this thing actually doesn't present too bad. Except for the top tube cable clips, of course - but at least they're solid.





Speaking of which, I saw this 3TTT bar and stem at the shop. Remember what I said about all C&V aluminum stems that aren't Japanese eventually becoming death stems?




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I did a hand-hammered fender thing. I have no feelings about it.







I do, however, have feelings about this stamped-steel and plastic thing - which almost sounds as if I'm describing something from Simplex. There's still mediocrity at Shimano, you just have to look around to find it.




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While this morning's lighting wasn't really working out, I didn't want to give up a chance to photograph the three water bottle cages that I got for the Voyageur off Amazon.








Every touring bike with three sets of bottle cage braze-ons need three bottle cages to be mounted. They just do

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Originally Posted by cudak888
Every touring bike with three sets of bottle cage braze-ons need three bottle cages to be mounted. They just do

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I used to think that too, but in practice, the "extra" one under the downtube just seems to get in the way too much. 😟

Of course, wearing hiking boots doesn't help that much, but ya gotta keep your toes warm & dry, in the wintertime. 😉
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The Motobecane has been mostly a test bed for the Altenburger Synchron Experiment as of late, so it's been put together with whatever doo-dads I've had kicking around, which, strangely enough, seems to be mostly from the Union Polycarbonex I parted out a while back. Many apologies for that horrible looking and just generally terrible Shimano RD.

Yes, I know it's current state is sinfully ugly in comparison to it's stock configuration.









The donor:





Front hub bearings are shot, so it looks like I may be lacing a different Maillard high flange into the front wheel.

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I used to think that too, but in practice, the "extra" one under the downtube just seems to get in the way too much. 😟

Of course, wearing hiking boots doesn't help that much, but ya gotta keep your toes warm & dry, in the wintertime. 😉
But, but, but...excess is always better!

Sounds as if you need a nice little heating element mounted there

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Kurt, just thinking out loud here, but I believe the chainguard on the silver monstrosity, is searching for a new home in GA.

From an very early 1950s ladies Schwinn Superior, now mounted on a '75 Schwinn Voyageur II, and mated to a '51 Sturmey Archer AM 3-speed IGH.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
Kurt, just thinking out loud here, but I believe the chainguard on the silver monstrosity, is searching for a new home in GA.

From an very early 1950s ladies Schwinn Superior, now mounted on a '75 Schwinn Voyageur II, and mated to a '51 Sturmey Archer AM 3-speed IGH.
You'll need to remove the spot-welded seatstay mount and drill it for a Raleigh-style clamp instead. More problematic is the fact that the original bottom bracket mount is missing, as the Polycarbonex had press-fit oversized cups. JaccoW has shown me an identical one on a English-threaded Gazelle though, so a usable version of that bracket does exist somewhere.

Glad to throw it in a box with the '54s saddle, what do you think?

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Originally Posted by cudak888
You'll need to remove the spot-welded seatstay mount and drill it for a Raleigh-style clamp instead. More problematic is the fact that the original bottom bracket mount is missing, as the Polycarbonex had press-fit oversized cups. JaccoW has shown me an identical one on a English-threaded Gazelle though, so a usable version of that bracket does exist somewhere.

Glad to throw it in a box with the '54s saddle, what do you think?

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Thank you. Glad to take on a challenge! No hurry. After the holidays is fine. I'll be on the road shortly for family and friends visits until the end of the year.
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Thank you. Glad to take on a challenge! No hurry. After the holidays is fine. I'll be on the road shortly for family and friends visits until the end of the year.
Sounds good, gives me time to find a box that fits both.

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