Vintage Italian??? Help Identify
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Vintage Italian??? Help Identify
I recently bought this bicycle at an estate sale. I don't see any badging anywhere and was hoping I could tap into your wealth of knowledge as to make and value please. Thanks in advance
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cycle is an ACER-MEX product manufactured in Mexico
lugs and crown employed are Agrati products
dropouts are Suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and BSC thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either Windsor or as Carabela
if Windsor, model would be Carrera Sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
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fittings changes -
original chainset Sugino Maxy
original rear mech Suntour VGT Luxe
original shift levers Suntour downtube controls
original pedals KKT RTSF
original brake levers DiaCompe standard, non-aero
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cycle is an ACER-MEX product manufactured in Mexico
lugs and crown employed are Agrati products
dropouts are Suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and BSC thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either Windsor or as Carabela
if Windsor, model would be Carrera Sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
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fittings changes -
original chainset Sugino Maxy
original rear mech Suntour VGT Luxe
original shift levers Suntour downtube controls
original pedals KKT RTSF
original brake levers DiaCompe standard, non-aero
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cycle is an ACER-MEX product manufactured in Mexico
lugs and crown employed are Agrati products
dropouts are Suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and BSC thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either Windsor or as Carabela
if Windsor, model would be Carrera Sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
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fittings changes -
original chainset Sugino Maxy
original rear mech Suntour VGT Luxe
original shift levers Suntour downtube controls
original pedals KKT RTSF
original brake levers DiaCompe standard, non-aero
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cycle is an ACER-MEX product manufactured in Mexico
lugs and crown employed are Agrati products
dropouts are Suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and BSC thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either Windsor or as Carabela
if Windsor, model would be Carrera Sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
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fittings changes -
original chainset Sugino Maxy
original rear mech Suntour VGT Luxe
original shift levers Suntour downtube controls
original pedals KKT RTSF
original brake levers DiaCompe standard, non-aero
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perhaps not in Round Rock TX
now if you were in a "hot" market such as Toronto, Vancouver, Portland, etc. then it would be no problem
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As an investment like a equity stock trade or bitcoin? No.
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It's not a bad bike for 200. I've seen much worse buys. But I think you know this wasn't a real winner.
You are near Austin, and they like road bikes there. But a savvy buyer likely won't be paying much if anything over what you paid. I will say that you thought it was worth 200, so there's a good chance someone else will too.
I do think you can make back your money on it. Take nice pictures, mention the Campagnolo components for sure along with the other components. But this will not be a quick flip unless you get lucky and someone just so happens to be looking for a small bike and a small project, and they don't have a ton of knowledge or patience for something better. If you start to replace and refurbish things (it probably needs new consumables, and grease etc.) then you are for sure going to lose money because the added cost isn't going to raise the ceiling for a bike like this, but you may sleep better knowing you gave new life to an old bike when you sell it and someone has a ride that will last them a long time.
You are near Austin, and they like road bikes there. But a savvy buyer likely won't be paying much if anything over what you paid. I will say that you thought it was worth 200, so there's a good chance someone else will too.
I do think you can make back your money on it. Take nice pictures, mention the Campagnolo components for sure along with the other components. But this will not be a quick flip unless you get lucky and someone just so happens to be looking for a small bike and a small project, and they don't have a ton of knowledge or patience for something better. If you start to replace and refurbish things (it probably needs new consumables, and grease etc.) then you are for sure going to lose money because the added cost isn't going to raise the ceiling for a bike like this, but you may sleep better knowing you gave new life to an old bike when you sell it and someone has a ride that will last them a long time.
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It's not a bad bike for 200. I've seen much worse buys. But I think you know this wasn't a real winner.
You are near Austin, and they like road bikes there. But a savvy buyer likely won't be paying much if anything over what you paid. I will say that you thought it was worth 200, so there's a good chance someone else will too.
I do think you can make back your money on it. Take nice pictures, mention the Campagnolo components for sure along with the other components. But this will not be a quick flip unless you get lucky and someone just so happens to be looking for a small bike and a small project, and they don't have a ton of knowledge or patience for something better. If you start to replace and refurbish things (it probably needs new consumables, and grease etc.) then you are for sure going to lose money because the added cost isn't going to raise the ceiling for a bike like this, but you may sleep better knowing you gave new life to an old bike when you sell it and someone has a ride that will last them a long time.
You are near Austin, and they like road bikes there. But a savvy buyer likely won't be paying much if anything over what you paid. I will say that you thought it was worth 200, so there's a good chance someone else will too.
I do think you can make back your money on it. Take nice pictures, mention the Campagnolo components for sure along with the other components. But this will not be a quick flip unless you get lucky and someone just so happens to be looking for a small bike and a small project, and they don't have a ton of knowledge or patience for something better. If you start to replace and refurbish things (it probably needs new consumables, and grease etc.) then you are for sure going to lose money because the added cost isn't going to raise the ceiling for a bike like this, but you may sleep better knowing you gave new life to an old bike when you sell it and someone has a ride that will last them a long time.
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here is an image of the full set of this pattern as loose pieces
ACER-MEX did not employ the full set on this model of frame
the crown employed is from an Agarti set called "BRIANZA"
Agrati offered their seat lugs in three forms -
a) bare without binder ears or Malaguti plugs
b) with standard binder ears and no Malaguti plugs
c) with Malaguti plugs and without binder ears
the image below depicts type c while the frame is constructed using type b
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here is an image of the full set of this pattern as loose pieces
ACER-MEX did not employ the full set on this model of frame
the crown employed is from an Agarti set called "BRIANZA"
Agrati offered their seat lugs in three forms -
a) bare without binder ears or Malaguti plugs
b) with standard binder ears and no Malaguti plugs
c) with Malaguti plugs and without binder ears
the image below depicts type c while the frame is constructed using type b
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cycle is an acer-mex product manufactured in mexico
lugs and crown employed are agrati products
dropouts are suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and bsc thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either windsor or as carabela
if windsor, model would be carrera sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
---
fittings changes -
original chainset sugino maxy
original rear mech suntour vgt luxe
original shift levers suntour downtube controls
original pedals kkt rtsf
original brake levers diacompe standard, non-aero
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cycle is an acer-mex product manufactured in mexico
lugs and crown employed are agrati products
dropouts are suntour
two dimensional oddities -
a) bottom bracket shell is italian thread but 68mm in width
b) steerer is 1"/25.4mm in diameter and bsc thread but is .833 in inside diameter
was likely badged as either windsor or as carabela
if windsor, model would be carrera sport
"19" marking on seat lug is nominal frame size in inches
shift lever bosses and top tube brake cable guides are post-manufacture additions
frame originally had chrome plating
date is approximately 1973
---
fittings changes -
original chainset sugino maxy
original rear mech suntour vgt luxe
original shift levers suntour downtube controls
original pedals kkt rtsf
original brake levers diacompe standard, non-aero
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