Classic bicycle street prices when new?
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Ahem.
Summarized data from my Koga-Miyata brochure scans
And if you want to get a feel how much NLG in year x is worth now in EUR check out the wonderful CBS Inflation calculator.
Keep in mind that when most of Europe went over to the Euro the Dutch NLG exchange rate was set at €1 = ƒ2,20371
But generally:
Or a 1985 FullPro-A at NLG 4995 ($1504 at a $1 per ƒ3.32 exchange rate) would be €4462 ($5057) today. And that huge difference it dollar value is because the dollar has become a whole lot weaker in the past 20 years alone. 2008 was a very good year for buying stuff from the US with a $1.6 per €1 exchange rate.
Summarized data from my Koga-Miyata brochure scans
And if you want to get a feel how much NLG in year x is worth now in EUR check out the wonderful CBS Inflation calculator.
Keep in mind that when most of Europe went over to the Euro the Dutch NLG exchange rate was set at €1 = ƒ2,20371
But generally:
- 1970: NLG 1000 = €2226 ($2542) in 2021 for a 390.5% increase
- 1975: NLG 1000 = €1471 ($1668) in 2021 for a 224.2% increase
- 1980: NLG 1000 = €1096 ($1242) in 2021 for a 141.7% increase
- 1985: NLG 1000 = €893 ($1012) in 2021 for a 96.9% increase
- 1990: NLG 1000 = €859 ($974) in 2021 for a 89.3% increase
- 1995: NLG 1000 = €747 ($847) in 2021 for a 64.7% increase
- 2000: NLG 1000 = €671 ($761) in 2021 for a 47.9% increase
Or a 1985 FullPro-A at NLG 4995 ($1504 at a $1 per ƒ3.32 exchange rate) would be €4462 ($5057) today. And that huge difference it dollar value is because the dollar has become a whole lot weaker in the past 20 years alone. 2008 was a very good year for buying stuff from the US with a $1.6 per €1 exchange rate.
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Happily, my memories from the AR Adams Cycle Days are still rather fresh. These are definitely 1973, possibly also 1972:
Raleigh
Sports. $95.00
Record. $100.00
Sprite 10: $100.00
Grand Prix: $125.00
Super Course: $150.00
Schwinn
Varsity: $100.00
Suburban 10: $100.00
Continental: $125.00
Super Sport: $150.00
Other brands
Triumph or Dunelt 3-speed: $85.00
Kent 3-speed: $60.00
Roger Riviere: $100.00
Astra: $100.00
Concord (Japanese): $100.00
From the other Adams bike shop across town:
Gitane
Grand Sport: $130.00
Interclub: $145.00
Hosteller: $150.00
Tour de France: $265.00
Professional Super Corsa: $450.00 (with Mafac brakes)
Raleigh
Sports. $95.00
Record. $100.00
Sprite 10: $100.00
Grand Prix: $125.00
Super Course: $150.00
Schwinn
Varsity: $100.00
Suburban 10: $100.00
Continental: $125.00
Super Sport: $150.00
Other brands
Triumph or Dunelt 3-speed: $85.00
Kent 3-speed: $60.00
Roger Riviere: $100.00
Astra: $100.00
Concord (Japanese): $100.00
From the other Adams bike shop across town:
Gitane
Grand Sport: $130.00
Interclub: $145.00
Hosteller: $150.00
Tour de France: $265.00
Professional Super Corsa: $450.00 (with Mafac brakes)
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In 1989 I looked at a KOM keenly, bought a Ritchey Ascent instead- $850 the Schwinn $900 but the shop was willing to deal.
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From Montrose Bike Shop, CA July 1972:
Paul Egli (made in the Mondia factory, Switzerland)
upgraded Leggeria pedals
extra set of silk sew-ups (probably Clement Criterium)
$384.80 out the door
That was a ton of dough for a struggling college student!
Paul Egli (made in the Mondia factory, Switzerland)
upgraded Leggeria pedals
extra set of silk sew-ups (probably Clement Criterium)
$384.80 out the door
That was a ton of dough for a struggling college student!
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That 1952 price sheet is especially interesting! My 1952 Rudge Aero Special seems to have the same specification as the Clubman on that sheet! The corresponding Raleigh in UK was the 1952 Raleigh Super Lenton, also the same specs.
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Cinelli in 1969 US market
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1978 Bridgestone Kabuki Diamond Touring $369 in 1979. $375 Submariner on NYC CL now.
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I worked at two bike shops in the mid to late 70's, both priced bikes at double what ever they paid, if they paid $100, the bike was marked as $200.
In 1978 I bought a brand new Raleigh Super Course for $230, it was on the showroom floor in Jan. '78 for $464.99. I almost bought a 1978 model Motobecane Grand Jubile but liked the feel of the Raleigh better. The GJ was marked $475. A buddy of mine bought that bike and got it a year later for $365.
In Nov.1979 I bought a new Ross Gran Tour for my brother $125, it was on the floor for $225. Other than a few 26" wheel Ross and Columbia bikes,the cheapest 10 speed road bike they had on the floor at that time was a Peugeot tagged at $125. The Peugeot bikes were only a few dollars more than a 26" Ross or 26" Columbia road bike. The Peugeot bikes were tempting at the time but I wasn't buying a bike with a plastic derailleur.
A year later I bought one of those Peugeot bikes for my brother after he wrecked the Ross Grand Tour, I took the Shimano rear derailleur off the Ross and put it in the new Peugeot day one. I can't say what model the Peugeot was, the UO8 models were gone by then but it looked similar but in a beige color with 27" alloy rims. That bike was only $79, but it was tagged $169.99. Even though it had been four or five years since I worked there I still got bikes at cost. (They closed up a few years later as the owner was in his 80's by that time).
40 or so years later I still have my 77 Raleigh Super Course, plus a '78 Super Grand Prix I bought new in the box when that shop closed up, a 1976 Peugeot Mixte I bought for my ex back then which is set up with all Shimano, and the frame of the Peugeot I had bought for my brother that's been sitting in the garage for 30 or more years.
In 1978 I bought a brand new Raleigh Super Course for $230, it was on the showroom floor in Jan. '78 for $464.99. I almost bought a 1978 model Motobecane Grand Jubile but liked the feel of the Raleigh better. The GJ was marked $475. A buddy of mine bought that bike and got it a year later for $365.
In Nov.1979 I bought a new Ross Gran Tour for my brother $125, it was on the floor for $225. Other than a few 26" wheel Ross and Columbia bikes,the cheapest 10 speed road bike they had on the floor at that time was a Peugeot tagged at $125. The Peugeot bikes were only a few dollars more than a 26" Ross or 26" Columbia road bike. The Peugeot bikes were tempting at the time but I wasn't buying a bike with a plastic derailleur.
A year later I bought one of those Peugeot bikes for my brother after he wrecked the Ross Grand Tour, I took the Shimano rear derailleur off the Ross and put it in the new Peugeot day one. I can't say what model the Peugeot was, the UO8 models were gone by then but it looked similar but in a beige color with 27" alloy rims. That bike was only $79, but it was tagged $169.99. Even though it had been four or five years since I worked there I still got bikes at cost. (They closed up a few years later as the owner was in his 80's by that time).
40 or so years later I still have my 77 Raleigh Super Course, plus a '78 Super Grand Prix I bought new in the box when that shop closed up, a 1976 Peugeot Mixte I bought for my ex back then which is set up with all Shimano, and the frame of the Peugeot I had bought for my brother that's been sitting in the garage for 30 or more years.
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I find it amazing that people have kept receipts and price lists from 50+ years ago. That Cinelli document is incredible. It's like I walked into a Cupertino bike shop to spec a custom Cinelli in1969!
I was involved in commercial truck manufacturing for decades and part of my job was to set dealer pricing for our models. Of course we wanted to keep our factories operating at their best efficiency irrespective of market fluctuations and had big customers of competitors we were targeting. So we were constantly adjusting prices with incentives and would also "help" dealers when we could with even better discounts but it required a bunch of documentation to get approved. Some dealers yelled for help a lot more than others so the idea of "street price" vs. "list price" was used to figure out who got the sweeteners, how much sweetener they got, and who got a dial tone, haha. The people that have posted a bill of sale can say definitively that a bike was SOLD at that price on that date. That is by definition a street price. All the lists of models and prices are just "suggestions" mostly used by the factory in the hopes that the dealers will all mark their stock at that level creating a united front toward the consumer. Reality is far different. The stock has to move. Newer models are coming, etc. However, an employee sale at dealer cost wouldn't be a street price because part of the deal is a "perk" of being a loyal hardworking part of the business. He didn't just come in off the street. Heck, he's standing behind the counter!
I was involved in commercial truck manufacturing for decades and part of my job was to set dealer pricing for our models. Of course we wanted to keep our factories operating at their best efficiency irrespective of market fluctuations and had big customers of competitors we were targeting. So we were constantly adjusting prices with incentives and would also "help" dealers when we could with even better discounts but it required a bunch of documentation to get approved. Some dealers yelled for help a lot more than others so the idea of "street price" vs. "list price" was used to figure out who got the sweeteners, how much sweetener they got, and who got a dial tone, haha. The people that have posted a bill of sale can say definitively that a bike was SOLD at that price on that date. That is by definition a street price. All the lists of models and prices are just "suggestions" mostly used by the factory in the hopes that the dealers will all mark their stock at that level creating a united front toward the consumer. Reality is far different. The stock has to move. Newer models are coming, etc. However, an employee sale at dealer cost wouldn't be a street price because part of the deal is a "perk" of being a loyal hardworking part of the business. He didn't just come in off the street. Heck, he's standing behind the counter!
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i don't think i've ever made money reselling bikes because i seem to always overpay. i can't help myself when a grail bike comes up for sale and then another...
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I bought my old Colnago Super for 300,000 Lira back in 1982. That would have been about $250.
It was probably around 14 years old at the time. Buying a similar new bike in the late 70's or early 80's would probably have set me back around $1000.
I can't say what it would be worth today. It has had a hard life, and has been well worth it for me for decades of use. If the bike had remained pristine, perhaps it would be a $1000+ bike.
It was probably around 14 years old at the time. Buying a similar new bike in the late 70's or early 80's would probably have set me back around $1000.
I can't say what it would be worth today. It has had a hard life, and has been well worth it for me for decades of use. If the bike had remained pristine, perhaps it would be a $1000+ bike.
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1935 Frejus CdM - 510 Lire
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1935 Frejus Pista - 480 Lire
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1940 Frejus CdM - 990 Lire
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In 1968 I bought a Raleigh Sports 3 speed from the original Turin on Sedgewick st Chicago. Price was $66 with tax. My Dad offered to pay half and I would pay half. At that time the price of Silver was skyrocketing. My grandparents would give me silver dollars on special occasions... Birthday, Christmas, Easter. Over the years I had accumulated 16 silver dollars. A coworker of my dads was buying silver dollars for $2 apiece, for their silver content. So I gave my dad my 16 dollars which would account for my half of the purchase price of my bike.
I never thought of those silver dollars again. I thought I had made out pretty well on the deal. 40 plus years later my dad passed away. Clearing out some of his stuff I came upon an envelope from his place of business. Inside the envelope were the 16 silver dollars.
I never thought of those silver dollars again. I thought I had made out pretty well on the deal. 40 plus years later my dad passed away. Clearing out some of his stuff I came upon an envelope from his place of business. Inside the envelope were the 16 silver dollars.
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Found Another one, Broadway Cyclery "The House That Service Built" (Richard Avakian) in Fresno, CA:
12/28/71 (Christmas present to myself)
Italvega Nuovo Record
Color: Coffee
$220 + $11 tax = $231 total
12/28/71 (Christmas present to myself)
Italvega Nuovo Record
Color: Coffee
$220 + $11 tax = $231 total