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Old 03-22-23, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondo6
Not Dr. Cannondale, but I'll give this one a shot.

Shimano says that Hyperglide was introduced with Deore XT (M732 series) in 1987. But I think the 600/Ultegra 6200-series predates the introduction of Hyperglide. Not sure when Hyperglide was introduced into that product line, if ever.

In any case, if you're looking for a 6-speed cassette I'm fairly sure that would be Uniglide. I believe Hyperglide was introduced at 7-speed; I don't think Shimano ever made 6-speed Hyperglide cassettes (I could be wrong).
I think there was no Hyperglide 6200 series. All hubs with freehub bodies I've seen are Uniglide all the way up to 6208. Then hubs like 6400 and later 7400 (7403) get 7sp Hyperglide and Uniglide compatible 1988 / 89. Perhaps Deore was earlier. I've done a bit of searching and I have also never seen 6 speed Hyperglide cassette(Uniglide were 5, 6 and 7 speed). There might be an option of upgrading the freehub body on an older hub to a 7sp Hyperglide compatible one, but I wouldn't bet on that.
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Originally Posted by VintageSteelEU
There might be an option of upgrading the freehub body on an older hub to a 7sp Hyperglide compatible one, but I wouldn't bet on that.
Depends on the hub. If the hub uses the original Shimano freehub design (sleeve/press-fit freehub), I don't think you can upgrade it to HG. As far as I know, Shimano never made HG/UG freehubs of that design. These original design hubs generally - but not universally - can be identified by the absence of a bulge for the freehub fixing bolt threading in the hub shaft. However, some original-design freehubs do have the bulge, so that's not a 100% reliable indicator of a fixing-bolt type hub body and freehub combo.

If the hub uses the later freehub design (freehub held onto hub body by fixing bolt), then per the late Sheldon Brown a freehub transplant that replaces the original freehub with a HG/UG or HG-only freehub is feasible.

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Old 03-23-23, 10:06 PM
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Ebay has several promising components for my 1987 Schwinn SS including this: Shimano 600 EX 6 Speed Freewheel 13-28t MF-6208 - Vintage 1980s - Lightly Used
for $45 + shipping.

Would this Cassette be compatible?
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Would this cassette listed currently on ebay be compatible?

$45 on ebay
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Originally Posted by danarello
Would this cassette listed currently on ebay be compatible?

$45 on ebay
i think you are looking for a freewheel rather than a cassette...?
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Originally Posted by danarello
Would this cassette listed currently on ebay be compatible?

$45 on ebay
This is a freewheel, so you'd have to determine what kind of hub you have. If it's a threaded hub, this freewheel will do nicely. If you have a freehub body with splines, no go.
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If your 87 Super Sport has the original Shimano 600 wheelset, then yes, a freewheel such as that would work.
That particular freewheel, however, has a lot of tooth wear on the 20 tooth cog (note wave shaped wear between teeth) and possibly others as well.
Not unusual to find that one cog was used more often than others, and someone like pastorbobinnh might be able to find you a replacement, but perhaps not accurate to characterize it as 'lightly used'.
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I got a reply from the seller which was interesting: I asked if he thought that freewheel/cassette would work on my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. His reply was," If your bike has a 6208 rear derailleur (look at the back of the derailleur, it will say RD-6208 VIA Shimano Japan") then no, it will not. The 6208 is a short cage and maximum rear cog size is 26 Tooth. I remember the Super Sport. I was actually working in a Schwinn bike shop in Austin Texas."

I actually don't have the 6208 rear derailleur on my bike. I have a newer 9 speed rear derailleur thanks to Dr. Cannondale that works flawlessly on that bike.
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Originally Posted by danarello
I got a reply from the seller which was interesting: I asked if he thought that freewheel/cassette would work on my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. His reply was," If your bike has a 6208 rear derailleur (look at the back of the derailleur, it will say RD-6208 VIA Shimano Japan") then no, it will not. The 6208 is a short cage and maximum rear cog size is 26 Tooth. I remember the Super Sport. I was actually working in a Schwinn bike shop in Austin Texas."
According to Shimano's tech docs, the seller is not correct. Shimano's Service Instructions for the RD-6208 indicate it is compatible with a min rear sprocket of 12T, a max sprocket of 28T, a front difference of <= 13T, and has a total capacity of <= 28T. See the document listed as "P-1A" at

https://si.shimano.com/en/manual/sea..._model=RD-6208

I thought I remembered looking this one up once before recently, and I was correct.

If you were using it with a 12-28 freewheel and a 52-42 or 52-40 front crankset, you'd be within Shimano's published specifications for the RD.
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Originally Posted by danarello
I got a reply from the seller which was interesting: I asked if he thought that freewheel/cassette would work on my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. His reply was," If your bike has a 6208 rear derailleur (look at the back of the derailleur, it will say RD-6208 VIA Shimano Japan") then no, it will not. The 6208 is a short cage and maximum rear cog size is 26 Tooth. I remember the Super Sport. I was actually working in a Schwinn bike shop in Austin Texas."

I actually don't have the 6208 rear derailleur on my bike. I have a newer 9 speed rear derailleur thanks to Dr. Cannondale that works flawlessly on that bike.
I have RD-6208 on my commuter bicycle. Currently have Shimano CS-HG200 7 speed cassette on the hub, 12-28T. No problem whatsoever, even though I actually don't use the largest cog because I have no need for it most of the time. When I do, RD-6208 doesn't behave in any way, shape or form different than with all other sprockets.

But, I digress. What derailleur do you have? It's fairly easy to check max capacity / max cog for it. And, what is the final goal? Bringing the bicycle back to 87, components - wise or just replacing the freewheel / casette? If you have 9 sprockets at the back, that would mean you have a casette. Look for Shimano Sora HG50 9 speed in whatever cog sizes you prefer and you're set. You might want to replace the chain whilst you're at it (KMC X9 or Wipperman Connex 900 for example). If you want to take the bicycle back to the late 80's, that would mean replacing some components.
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@VintageSteelEU My remark earlier about bringing the 1987 to original specs was innaccurate. My bad. The bike isn't with me at the moment, but its got a SHIMANO 9 speed RD and the rear wheel has only 6 cogs. My mechanic dialed in the shifting though so it shifts smoothly into all 6 gears. My goal ist to get a 28 tooth gear so I can comfortably climb some hills around here. I think the biggest cog is a 24 tooth currently.The wheelset I bought on ebay a few years ago is sweet. I've got pics somewhere, I just have to locate them.






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Old 03-25-23, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by danarello
@VintageSteelEU My remark earlier about bringing the 1987 to original specs was innaccurate. My bad. The bike isn't with me at the moment, but its got a SHIMANO 9 speed RD and the rear wheel has only 6 cogs. My mechanic dialed in the shifting though so it shifts smoothly into all 6 gears. My goal ist to get a 28 tooth gear so I can comfortably climb some hills around here. I think the biggest cog is a 24 tooth currently.The wheelset I bought on ebay a few years ago is sweet. I've got pics somewhere, I just have to locate them.
Ah, so we're back to all options, but if you have 6 sprockets at the back, that's most likely a freewheel.
Again, not really possible to give you definitive advice without a pic, but assuming the threading is English, you can just slap on Shimano MF-TZ500-6 speed 14-28T freewheel and call it a day. Providing of course all goes well, the current freewheel comes off easily etc. Depending on the clearance between the smallest sprocket and the dropout you might be able to use MF-TZ500-7 speed. The difference between shimano 6 and 7 speed is 2.4mm. If you have enough clearance, I'd probably go with 7 speed freewheel. In any case, you will need to adjust the rear derailleur (especially if you're going for 7 speeds) and it might be a good idea to get a new chain as well (or at least clean thoroughly the current one if it's been replaced recently). You can always keep your current freewheel and chain as spares.
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Originally Posted by danarello
My goal is to get a 28 tooth gear so I can comfortably climb some hills around here.
If your axle is long enough, this is what I use on my bikes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175249444991
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DRIVE TRAIN

7-SPEED

STOCK WHEELSET
I actually have a 1989 Schwinn Tempo, all original, 7 Speed road bike with Shimano 105 components. It's in very good condition. The paint has some chips and scratches. I'm going to take pictures of my bikes tomorrow when I get home, and post them here.

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ISO: French thread headset locknut & spacer.

Headset on my bike is Stronglight, but I don't really care much about the brand.
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Originally Posted by Stevensb
ISO a few clean parts for a first generation DuraAce build:
  • Headset - English threads, UA100(?), black ideally but silver is ok
  • Seatpost - 27.2mm - something appropriate for a first gen DuraAce build. Doesn't look to me to be a specific DuraAce seat post at that time.
  • Down tube shifters - I have a nice silver DuraAce set (NOS?) but would like to have them in black. Here are a couple of pictures of the set I have:
Shimano clamp on shifters by bj.stevens, on Flickr.

Shimano clamp on shifters by bj.stevens, on Flickr

Thanks.

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Just putting it out there, but have you considered maybe going with black covers on those shifters if you cannot find suitable black ones?
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Originally Posted by abshipp
ISO: French thread headset locknut & spacer.

Headset on my bike is Stronglight, but I don't really care much about the brand.
If you can't find a trade or just the locknut/washer, you might want to check the C&V Sales subforum. If I recall correctly, at least two French threaded headsets were listed there for sale earlier this month. I believe at least one is still available.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
ISO: French thread headset locknut & spacer.

Headset on my bike is Stronglight, but I don't really care much about the brand.
Hah! I just hooked up a guy (local in the East bay) who needed some Stronglight A-9 parts for a Peugeot job, so I did not have a spare locknut/spacer in that box but might have one elsewhere.
Is yours it an alloy A-9 (or steel) and what size spacer do you need (or is it a washer with flat)?
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Hah! I just hooked up a guy (local in the East bay) who needed some Stronglight A-9 parts for a Peugeot job, so I did not have a spare locknut/spacer in that box but might have one elsewhere.
Is yours it an alloy A-9 (or steel) and what size spacer do you need (or is it a washer with flat)?
I'm looking for something steel, with a washer with a flat. I appreciate it!

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Originally Posted by Stevensb
ISO a few clean parts for a first generation DuraAce build:
  • Headset - English threads, UA100(?), black ideally but silver is ok
  • Seatpost - 27.2mm - something appropriate for a first gen DuraAce build. Doesn't look to me to be a specific DuraAce seat post at that time.
  • Down tube shifters - I have a nice silver DuraAce set (NOS?) but would like to have them in black. Here are a couple of pictures of the set I have:


Thanks.

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I have a set of the black shifters, sending PM
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@abshipp that is a Stronglight Competition.
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ISO Lyotard Eng thread right pedal spindle..

The spindle of the right pedal of a pair of Bethets I've got is (annoyingly) bent. It's my understanding that a spindle from a Leotard 45 would work....
Thx!
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
Anybody need an FSA Duron headset that came off my '80 Bertoni? It's all there.

PM incoming for this
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Originally Posted by abshipp
I'm looking for something steel, with a washer with a flat. I appreciate it!

good to know specifics, so wasn't looking for that vintage when I unearthed the A-9 stuff, but will look again for this older Stronglight top nut and washer.

EDIT: initial search has resulted in zero: neither a FR top nut (tho I was fooled by a couple but they failed the test) and surprised I don't find a single washer with flat! But I have another bin I can check later this week.

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Looking for a wireless gps bike computer. Garmin edge or something of the like with a small screen for a map. I know it's not exactly fitting here, but most of what I have to trade is C&V and I know a lot of C&V riders used modern computers. Anybody got a decent one sitting around doing nothing? I have tons of stuff to trade, willing to make it worth your while.
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