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Old 08-15-21, 11:19 AM
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Help ID old cottered crank and era for vintage Campy FD / RD combo


I came accross some ole bike parts and see no maker on the crank. Im also curious of the dates for these campagnolo front and rear derailer set.
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chainset appears to be Agrati

it is a base model as the outer is swaged to the arm

chainset and gear ensemble are of a time - the early 1970's


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chainset appears to be Agrati

it is a base model as the outer is swaged to the arm

chainset and gear ensemble are of a time - the early 1970's


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juvela Thanks, I did not know about Agrati and though maybe the ensemble could be earlier but trust your expertise. Was wondering about the "Valentino Extra" on the RD, is that like an early super record ?
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Valentino Extra was the very bottom of the line in Campag rear mechs of its day

the companion front mech is also called Valentino


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juvela Thanks, I did not know about Agrati and though maybe the ensemble could be earlier but trust your expertise. Was wondering about the "Valentino Extra" on the RD, is that like an early super record ?
Little searching and I found this from VeloBase

Category: Rear Derailleurs Name:
Campagnolo 2170, Valentino Extra
Brand: Campagnolo
Primary Group: Valentino Extra
Model: 2170
Years: 1968
Country: Italy
Weight: 235 grams
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Valentino Extra was the very bottom of the line in Campag rear mechs of its day

the companion front mech is also called Valentino


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Right on and from bikemag

In 1964, the Campagnolo Valentino low-cost rear derailleur is introduced, along with the Valentino low-cost front derailleur and obscure large flange track hubs with curved lever quick releases. The Valentino Extra low-cost rear derailleur is introduced at the Paris trade show in October 1968. The gruppo survived into the `70s.
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Right on and from bikemag

In 1964, the Campagnolo Valentino low-cost rear derailleur is introduced, along with the Valentino low-cost front derailleur and obscure large flange track hubs with curved lever quick releases. The Valentino Extra low-cost rear derailleur is introduced at the Paris trade show in October 1968. The gruppo survived into the `70s.
Looks like the Valentino will just be a wall hanger as this BF thread does not reflect well on its performance

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RE: agrati bike crank

I found below info from John E

Agrati cottered cranks were standard on Capo bikes ca. 1960. (Though Austrian, Capo bikes tended to have mostly Italian components, including the distinctive frame lugs.) Their integral spider, forged as one piece w/ the drive side crank arm, instead of being swaged to it almost as an afterthought, made them much more reliable than the competition. (Having said that, I did break a left Agrati crank at the spindle eye during a hard acceleration.) My Capo bikes came w/ Agrati spindles and BB cups, as well, but I have never seen the brakes before.

Would be nice for a
1960 Capo Modell Campagnolo bike which has quite impressive lugs and seat tube badge

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