My turn; Schwinn Paramount incoming
06-01-22, 03:54 PM
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I almost qualify as a Paramount owner. 
"The Project KOM-10 was Schwinn's top of the line racing MTB, with only 1000 a year produced in '88 and '89 at their Greenville, MS plant. It was handmade with a lugged triple-butted Tange Prestige frame and full Shimano Deore XT group (Shimano's top of the line MTB components that year). The Project KOM-10 is almost identical to the '87 Paramountain, and the '90 Paramount MTBs followed (The '90 Schwinn KOM S-9 and S-7 were TIG welded, not lugged)." -- from Tim Gavin's Oct 3, 2013 post on the iBOB discussion list.
I am still kicking myself for being honest and passing on a green ca. 1971 15-speed Paramount that was donated to a local charity and that I fixed up for them.
"The Project KOM-10 was Schwinn's top of the line racing MTB, with only 1000 a year produced in '88 and '89 at their Greenville, MS plant. It was handmade with a lugged triple-butted Tange Prestige frame and full Shimano Deore XT group (Shimano's top of the line MTB components that year). The Project KOM-10 is almost identical to the '87 Paramountain, and the '90 Paramount MTBs followed (The '90 Schwinn KOM S-9 and S-7 were TIG welded, not lugged)." -- from Tim Gavin's Oct 3, 2013 post on the iBOB discussion list.
I am still kicking myself for being honest and passing on a green ca. 1971 15-speed Paramount that was donated to a local charity and that I fixed up for them.
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I almost qualify as a Paramount owner.
"The Project KOM-10 was Schwinn's top of the line racing MTB, with only 1000 a year produced in '88 and '89 at their Greenville, MS plant. It was handmade with a lugged triple-butted Tange Prestige frame and full Shimano Deore XT group (Shimano's top of the line MTB components that year). The Project KOM-10 is almost identical to the '87 Paramountain, and the '90 Paramount MTBs followed (The '90 Schwinn KOM S-9 and S-7 were TIG welded, not lugged)." -- from Tim Gavin's Oct 3, 2013 post on the iBOB discussion list.
I am still kicking myself for being honest and passing on a green ca. 1971 15-speed Paramount that was donated to a local charity and that I fixed up for them.
"The Project KOM-10 was Schwinn's top of the line racing MTB, with only 1000 a year produced in '88 and '89 at their Greenville, MS plant. It was handmade with a lugged triple-butted Tange Prestige frame and full Shimano Deore XT group (Shimano's top of the line MTB components that year). The Project KOM-10 is almost identical to the '87 Paramountain, and the '90 Paramount MTBs followed (The '90 Schwinn KOM S-9 and S-7 were TIG welded, not lugged)." -- from Tim Gavin's Oct 3, 2013 post on the iBOB discussion list.
I am still kicking myself for being honest and passing on a green ca. 1971 15-speed Paramount that was donated to a local charity and that I fixed up for them.
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06-02-22, 07:24 AM
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My '71 P15 is like this. A bit hard to see in the photo, but the crown is a Vagner PL.
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Just a gorgeous bike all over. I would be proud to own something like that.
06-03-22, 06:05 AM
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06-03-22, 01:23 PM
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Disappointing reveal
Oh well, can’t win them all. It turns out that this bike is way too big for me at 62-63 cm and a 35” stand over. The widow lady said the OP was her husbands brother who owned a bike shop in Middletown Ohio, and he was 6’4”. It was passed to his brother later on. I did take it as she wanted it gone. I advised her I would eventually sell it and would reimburse her eventually. It will be a fun educational winter project.
It is a kinda strange build that I guess at maybe 1983, as I saw 82 on the front dr. No serial number I could see on the cinelli bb. Columbus ridges in the steerer tube. It looks very well used. I put air in the tires as I hated pushing it around on flat tires. Amazingly the slammed seat post wasn’t frozen. Thought I would post some poor pics for those interested.
Is this probably a Waterford? In any case, a let down because of size. A size smaller and I could make it work, although the geometry might not have suited me. I will certainly at least make it road worthy to try out in the future.
Original owner from my understanding
Others here will have way more info on this one. Bladed spokes and 700c wheels, but mixed with barcons with brazed on cable stops? Long cage rd with a big Shimano 6 speed 6208 freewheel. I have read where in this era, the Paramount was custom ordered? All kinda interesting.
170 cranks and a sealed bb unit
Not something I am used to seeing
Probably very nice at time of purchase
These aero bars will go first
I think it will clean up decent and be a fun project. Funny that I am 5’10” and I recently came into a desirable Ross Triad that is too small, and this that is too big. You can’t win them all I guess.
It is a kinda strange build that I guess at maybe 1983, as I saw 82 on the front dr. No serial number I could see on the cinelli bb. Columbus ridges in the steerer tube. It looks very well used. I put air in the tires as I hated pushing it around on flat tires. Amazingly the slammed seat post wasn’t frozen. Thought I would post some poor pics for those interested.
Is this probably a Waterford? In any case, a let down because of size. A size smaller and I could make it work, although the geometry might not have suited me. I will certainly at least make it road worthy to try out in the future.
Original owner from my understanding
Others here will have way more info on this one. Bladed spokes and 700c wheels, but mixed with barcons with brazed on cable stops? Long cage rd with a big Shimano 6 speed 6208 freewheel. I have read where in this era, the Paramount was custom ordered? All kinda interesting.
170 cranks and a sealed bb unit
Not something I am used to seeing
Probably very nice at time of purchase
These aero bars will go first
I think it will clean up decent and be a fun project. Funny that I am 5’10” and I recently came into a desirable Ross Triad that is too small, and this that is too big. You can’t win them all I guess.
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06-03-22, 01:40 PM
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SD5782,
On this one, I am a glass half-full person ....Clean it up or leave as is and do a trade. You got a Paramount for the price of a tune-up.
Best, Ben
On this one, I am a glass half-full person ....Clean it up or leave as is and do a trade. You got a Paramount for the price of a tune-up.
Best, Ben
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Looks like a 1982 frameset; one of the Elite Paramounts. It retailed for $950 (f/f) and was offered (as a complete bike, in any configuration you could want) for $2500. The original owner probably specced the braze-ons, paint, and chrome in addition to the normal sizing details. Parts of course can be changed, so who knows what's original to the bike as it stands today.
Too bad it doesn't fit (wouldn't fit me either), because if I were looking to acquire a Paramount, the Elite would be my choice ten times out of ten. You won't have difficulty finding someone to take that off your hands for a good price; I mean, it's basically Henry James-lugged, Columbus SL-tubed custom frame built to the highest order.
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Too bad it doesn't fit (wouldn't fit me either), because if I were looking to acquire a Paramount, the Elite would be my choice ten times out of ten. You won't have difficulty finding someone to take that off your hands for a good price; I mean, it's basically Henry James-lugged, Columbus SL-tubed custom frame built to the highest order.
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Oh well, can’t win them all. It turns out that this bike is way too big for me at 62-63 cm and a 35” stand over. The widow lady said the OP was her husbands brother who owned a bike shop in Middletown Ohio, and he was 6’4”. It was passed to his brother later on. I did take it as she wanted it gone. I advised her I would eventually sell it and would reimburse her eventually. It will be a fun educational winter project.
It is a kinda strange build that I guess at maybe 1983, as I saw 82 on the front dr. No serial number I could see on the cinelli bb. Columbus ridges in the steerer tube. It looks very well used. I put air in the tires as I hated pushing it around on flat tires. Amazingly the slammed seat post wasn’t frozen. Thought I would post some poor pics for those interested.
Is this probably a Waterford? In any case, a let down because of size. A size smaller and I could make it work, although the geometry might not have suited me. I will certainly at least make it road worthy to try out in the future.
Original owner from my understanding
Others here will have way more info on this one. Bladed spokes and 700c wheels, but mixed with barcons with brazed on cable stops? Long cage rd with a big Shimano 6 speed 6208 freewheel. I have read where in this era, the Paramount was custom ordered? All kinda interesting.
170 cranks and a sealed bb unit
Not something I am used to seeing
Probably very nice at time of purchase
These aero bars will go first
I think it will clean up decent and be a fun project. Funny that I am 5’10” and I recently came into a desirable Ross Triad that is too small, and this that is too big. You can’t win them all I guess.
It is a kinda strange build that I guess at maybe 1983, as I saw 82 on the front dr. No serial number I could see on the cinelli bb. Columbus ridges in the steerer tube. It looks very well used. I put air in the tires as I hated pushing it around on flat tires. Amazingly the slammed seat post wasn’t frozen. Thought I would post some poor pics for those interested.
Is this probably a Waterford? In any case, a let down because of size. A size smaller and I could make it work, although the geometry might not have suited me. I will certainly at least make it road worthy to try out in the future.
Original owner from my understanding
Others here will have way more info on this one. Bladed spokes and 700c wheels, but mixed with barcons with brazed on cable stops? Long cage rd with a big Shimano 6 speed 6208 freewheel. I have read where in this era, the Paramount was custom ordered? All kinda interesting.
170 cranks and a sealed bb unit
Not something I am used to seeing
Probably very nice at time of purchase
These aero bars will go first
I think it will clean up decent and be a fun project. Funny that I am 5’10” and I recently came into a desirable Ross Triad that is too small, and this that is too big. You can’t win them all I guess.
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Serial number found on left rear dropout after a bit of searching on this forum for info; D8305.
I found this article which I believe may be the widow of one of the brothers and the one who gave me the bike. The father of the three brothers was the shop owner it seems.
https://www.journal-news.com/news/lo...EJsBOM37s43kK/
I found this article which I believe may be the widow of one of the brothers and the one who gave me the bike. The father of the three brothers was the shop owner it seems.
https://www.journal-news.com/news/lo...EJsBOM37s43kK/
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06-03-22, 03:37 PM
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Nice bike and would fit me perfectly. I will be in Bowling Green next week and also later in the summer - message me if you are not inundated with offers you can't refuse.
06-03-22, 03:46 PM
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It would take lots of thinking on this one. That rd looks very interesting, and the little used wheels with the bladed spokes must have been pricey. Perhaps though, and/or trade.
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Yeah, very interesting bike, but I have my hands pretty full right now and no offense taken if you have a better destination for it. Just putting it out there.
06-03-22, 04:12 PM
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Yep, you’re first but I don’t ship and I certainly have to play first. My thought is even when they don’t fit, one still learns a lot by riding just to experience the frame materials and geometry and such. The education is priceless. As mentioned this and a too small Jim Redcay Ross came my way with neither a possible fit.
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Yep, you’re first but I don’t ship and I certainly have to play first. My thought is even when they don’t fit, one still learns a lot by riding just to experience the frame materials and geometry and such. The education is priceless. As mentioned this and a too small Jim Redcay Ross came my way with neither a possible fit.
Please add me to the long or short list of hopefuls.
The picture here can be very big, lots to learn, digest and consider.
I commented the other day that when I find a 60's, I will have 4 decades covered and was not worried about the 80's, had forgotten about these and now I need one for the 5 decades.
It's my size at the low end but would be fine.
So glad you got this and will be going through the process for the "valuable learning experience", great plan for a great example.
Presume and hope you will be preserving the paint and livery as best you can, huge value there IMO given the story so far.
Good job despite the sizing issue.
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06-03-22, 05:48 PM
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Absolutely agree, you have a very special one here, narrow slice of Paramount history.
Please add me to the long or short list of hopefuls.
The picture here can be very big, lots to learn, digest and consider.
I commented the other day that when I find a 60's, I will have 4 decades covered and was not worried about the 80's, had forgotten about these and now I need one for the 5 decades.
It's my size at the low end but would be fine.
So glad you got this and will be going through the process for the "valuable learning experience", great plan for a great example.
Presume and hope you will be preserving the paint and livery as best you can, huge value there IMO given the story so far.
Good job despite the sizing issue.
Please add me to the long or short list of hopefuls.
The picture here can be very big, lots to learn, digest and consider.
I commented the other day that when I find a 60's, I will have 4 decades covered and was not worried about the 80's, had forgotten about these and now I need one for the 5 decades.
It's my size at the low end but would be fine.
So glad you got this and will be going through the process for the "valuable learning experience", great plan for a great example.
Presume and hope you will be preserving the paint and livery as best you can, huge value there IMO given the story so far.
Good job despite the sizing issue.
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Right you are,
but that has never stopped me yet and Paramount's are my pinnacle, been drooling over these for almost 50 years.
Used to get kicked out of the Schwinn shop for hanging around to much and staring at the chrome ones. So I would just go across the street to Norwest Honda and Yamaha East to drool over Elsinore's, CBX's, Nortons, Triumph's, Husky's, OSSA's, Bultaco's, Montessa's, Maico's, CZ's all sorts of Yamaha's and so many others. Yamaha East had 150-200 used motorcyles at any given time and they didn't care how much you hung around although looking back I should have gotten a job there somewhere but didn't.
but that has never stopped me yet and Paramount's are my pinnacle, been drooling over these for almost 50 years.
Used to get kicked out of the Schwinn shop for hanging around to much and staring at the chrome ones. So I would just go across the street to Norwest Honda and Yamaha East to drool over Elsinore's, CBX's, Nortons, Triumph's, Husky's, OSSA's, Bultaco's, Montessa's, Maico's, CZ's all sorts of Yamaha's and so many others. Yamaha East had 150-200 used motorcyles at any given time and they didn't care how much you hung around although looking back I should have gotten a job there somewhere but didn't.
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Yep, you’re first but I don’t ship and I certainly have to play first. My thought is even when they don’t fit, one still learns a lot by riding just to experience the frame materials and geometry and such. The education is priceless. As mentioned this and a too small Jim Redcay Ross came my way with neither a possible fit.
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And there is always the option to trade the just the frame for one that fits. This appears to be one of those “evolving” bikes that was changed to suit the owner’s needs. Go forth & make the most of it.
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Serial number found on left rear dropout after a bit of searching on this forum for info; D8305.
I found this article which I believe may be the widow of one of the brothers and the one who gave me the bike. The father of the three brothers was the shop owner it seems.
https://www.journal-news.com/news/lo...EJsBOM37s43kK/
I found this article which I believe may be the widow of one of the brothers and the one who gave me the bike. The father of the three brothers was the shop owner it seems.
https://www.journal-news.com/news/lo...EJsBOM37s43kK/
Your Serial Number tells us the frame was built in April 1983 and was the 5th frameset made that month. The Elites were 100% custom ordered. While I'm not certain, I believe they were more on the order of $2000-$3000 and not a mere $950 (as mentioned by Drillium Dude ), but I could be wrong on this amount.
As a side note, I have a Waterford Standard with a May 1983 serial number. You have a very special bike. It is a shame it is too large for you.
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As mentioned by others, you have stumbled upon an Elite Paramount, custom built at the Waterford PDS after the Paramount cage was closed in Chicago the end of 1979.
Your Serial Number tells us the frame was built in April 1983 and was the 5th frameset made that month. The Elites were 100% custom ordered. While I'm not certain, I believe they were more on the order of $2000-$3000 and not a mere $950 (as mentioned by Drillium Dude ), but I could be wrong on this amount.
As a side note, I have a Waterford Standard with a May 1983 serial number. You have a very special bike. It is a shame it is too large for you.
Your Serial Number tells us the frame was built in April 1983 and was the 5th frameset made that month. The Elites were 100% custom ordered. While I'm not certain, I believe they were more on the order of $2000-$3000 and not a mere $950 (as mentioned by Drillium Dude ), but I could be wrong on this amount.
As a side note, I have a Waterford Standard with a May 1983 serial number. You have a very special bike. It is a shame it is too large for you.
Were the last frames built in the cage 1980's model year?
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