Ebay Buyer Unhappy - What Would You Do?
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I would find out how much an LBS (near the OP) would charge to replace the bearings, and if not unreasonable, offer that amount back. I also sell on eBay, and really try to keep my buyers happy, and if the fix is not too expensive it would be worth it to me to keep the buyer satisfied.
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You absolutely KNOW that the bearings were fine - and if you have good feedback so far, I'd either take one bad feedback or split the cost in exchange for good feedback.
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My return policy is 7 days... so he/she knew that when they purchased the wheels.. Also, good luck getting back money already paid to Paypal and eBay.
In my opinion the "right thing" is for you to make him honor the deal.
In my opinion the "right thing" is for you to make him honor the deal.
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and the right thing to do would be (and this coming from somebody who has a seller score of 100% with over 1000 auctions closed) tell him to read the TOS. he has a certain amount of time to review the product and contact the seller, if the item is not as described then he can take that up with you, if you don't feel you should replace it then he can dispute it through paypal, which you and he can leave it up to them to settle the claim. If he's buying things that he knows he can't physically look over for 4 months he shouldn't be buying them from ebay. If he's buying wheels that are 3+ years old and doesn't want pay to have the hubs serviced then he's just an ebay troll...you can see other items he's won and see feedback he's left as well as feedback responses, if it's something common with him then screw him. If he's legitimately concerned over the wheels then offer a partial refund, he can pay for the listing and closing fees plus the paypal fees (for withdrawing money) etc. plus shipping...im sure all of this will change his mind and he will see that paying to service his hubs himself might be just the same...
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also, having purchased some 105 brakes from Rad last Fall for the girlfriend... his item was as described.
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I'm sorry, I'm just not buying this. Same thing as everyone else. just about everytime I order something it arrives while I'm at work. Unless it's for the wife I ask her to open it immediately to make sure that everything is there and in working order. Did this man say where these wheels were stored in the 4 months they 'sat around'? Climate controlled storage or out back in the shed. I'm all for our guys and gals in the service and would do anything for em but I find it insane the no one could check on these wheels for him in 4 months. Hope things work out for ya.
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Personally, I think tough cookies to that guy. That's the risk you take buying stuff on eBay. If he doesn't like it, he can cough up the dough and buy from a retailer or someone he knows personally.
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I would wonder if the guy can accurately assess wheel bearing condition and what at what point they need replacing.
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I agree, I've bought and sold on Ebay a lot and I'd say to him that you are sorry he seems to think there is something wrong with the bearings, but that you know they were good when you sent them out and that you expect people to examine their products within 30 days of receipt.
You can try that and see if he leaves it be. But, unfortunately the way Ebay sets their rules, he has the ability to open a case on the transaction and press it until Paypal covers his loss and makes you pay up -- if you refuse to reach an agreement with him.
Possibly you could offer a partial refund if you get the feeling that he'll press the issue -- if he responds or opens a "case" after your first response stating you don't feel responsible. Ebay protects buyer more than sellers. I've bought many sketchy things on Ebay, even an old truck, knowing that I have almost 100% right of return for any defect or misrepresentation that I perceive.
You can try that and see if he leaves it be. But, unfortunately the way Ebay sets their rules, he has the ability to open a case on the transaction and press it until Paypal covers his loss and makes you pay up -- if you refuse to reach an agreement with him.
Possibly you could offer a partial refund if you get the feeling that he'll press the issue -- if he responds or opens a "case" after your first response stating you don't feel responsible. Ebay protects buyer more than sellers. I've bought many sketchy things on Ebay, even an old truck, knowing that I have almost 100% right of return for any defect or misrepresentation that I perceive.
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It's too late for that...he has 60 days...after 90 the transaction can't even be pulled up on eBay only paypal history.
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I agree with getting an LBS involved. You should have a professional opinion on the state of the bearings because the buyer may not know what he's talking about. If they say the bearings are bad and you want to make the buyer happy (ie. shut him up) then cover the cost of standard bearing replacement. You wouldn't want to give him a free bearing upgrade.
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LBS will service anything and suggest it just as well....it's how they Pay the rent...seriously offer a refund minus ALL costs...fees and shipping...he'd save more keeping them and fixing em
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Tell him to send proof that he was overseas and that he had just got home. Then if its true send him money for the parts.Just explain to him this happens all the time in the world of ebay,people like to scam.
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Additional information - he's not looking to send the wheels back, at least not yet...just for me to pay to replace the bearings.
Bearings are standard garden variety cartridge style but I would imagine it should also include some funds for labor. I can't imagine it would be all that much...
Bearings are standard garden variety cartridge style but I would imagine it should also include some funds for labor. I can't imagine it would be all that much...
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Lots of good information here...thank you all for your responses. Here is how I handled it.
First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
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First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
55/Rad
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I agree with socalrider and think that consulting with the seller's forum on Ebay is a good way to go, especially considering that its been long past the time for making a grievance -- he may have lost some of his leverage.
Also, consider how much time you want to put into this issue? How much money are we talking here? What is your time worth? Would it shut him up to just send him ten or twenty bucks toward another set of bearings or would you be better to just wait it out, especially considering that you don't have a positive or negative feedback to gain or lose by this, so I think consulting with Ebay experts would be good advice and then considering how much time this is worth to act on at all outside of the ebay advisers.
Also, consider how much time you want to put into this issue? How much money are we talking here? What is your time worth? Would it shut him up to just send him ten or twenty bucks toward another set of bearings or would you be better to just wait it out, especially considering that you don't have a positive or negative feedback to gain or lose by this, so I think consulting with Ebay experts would be good advice and then considering how much time this is worth to act on at all outside of the ebay advisers.
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I sold a set of wheels back in early March - decent set that was used and in fine shape. Not perfect or mint but structurally sound and cosmetically nice. About 3 years old.
Buyer writes today - 4 months later - to tell me that he just returned home from being deployed and that he opened the box TODAY to find that the bearings are shot on both wheels. They certainly weren't shot when I boxed them up.
A hundred things ran through my mind and I know what I'm going to do but I'm wondering...
How would you handle? And no, he hasn't left feedback yet.
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Buyer writes today - 4 months later - to tell me that he just returned home from being deployed and that he opened the box TODAY to find that the bearings are shot on both wheels. They certainly weren't shot when I boxed them up.
A hundred things ran through my mind and I know what I'm going to do but I'm wondering...
How would you handle? And no, he hasn't left feedback yet.
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Lots of good information here...thank you all for your responses. Here is how I handled it.
First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
55/Rad
First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
55/Rad
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does it really take an LBS to replace cartridge bearings?
Offer to send him new bearings if he sends you the old ones.
Offer to send him new bearings if he sends you the old ones.
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#49
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Not sure if you're using eBay to sell a whole bunch of stuff, if you are, you probably wanna take more sensible advise. BUT you asked what we would do... and me... I'd tell the guy to go screw himself. I've had enough of being the good guy having his balls busted. You get these real low lifes screwing the good sellers.
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Lots of good information here...thank you all for your responses. Here is how I handled it.
First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
55/Rad
First, there is no way I can say with 100% certainty that the bearings were perfect when I shipped the wheels. I can only be 98% certain. Second, I dug up the Paypal record of the AUCTION and was reminded that the winner paid more for a set of used wheels than he would have for a new set - which are still available in shops. Both of these contributed to my willingness to work with the buyer.
I researched the cost of new cartridge bearings for this wheelset, which are relatively inexpensive. The hubs aren't anything unusual in terms of design so I offered to pay for both the bearings and the labor and I requested to pay the shop direct.
His response was one of surprise and gratitude which confirmed for me that he was being honest in the first place.
As for the bearings, the only thing I can think of is that some moisture got in there and the long sit mucked them up.
55/Rad
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