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Tourist in MSN, I was a school photographer as well and we had to buy our own film and develop it on our own as well. My partner, who shot events with me, knew the photography prof at a local college and we were able to process and print using their equipment and supplies. Frugality was the word of the day, every day we shot and were in the lab. I think that has carried with me into the digital world as I still think that way. Did your school pay for supplies?
My parents were artists, met in art school, my dad had a photography background, an older sister had bought things like the tank and spools for developing film, the box you put the 50 foot roll of film in to put the film into canisters, trays for the chemicals for the prints, etc. Initially borrowed an enlarger from an artist friend of my mothers, later got an enlarger as a birthday present or something like that. And after a couple issues with a range finder camera, my dad bought me a Sears (Ricoh) SLR that had no meter, used a hand held meter. But the school paid none of the equipment cost, paid no gas for going to the games, etc. I got a print dryer for my second year on the paper for a birthday present from my parents.
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I'm telling ya T, reading all these terms really makes me feel like it was all a lifetime ago. In some ways it was.
So strange to think of the changes, but still, shooting is shooting and one still has to have a good eye and people skills. The box with a lens is still a box with a lens, no matter the changes.
So strange to think of the changes, but still, shooting is shooting and one still has to have a good eye and people skills. The box with a lens is still a box with a lens, no matter the changes.
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Djb, the art and skill is not in the camera, software or lab. It is the eye in the viewfinder. You are correct, a box with a lens is a box with a lens. No question manually developing and printing images was a lifetime ago. Sometimes I long for those days as they were days of discovery. Photography was very simple and since there was no software to wildly adjust lighting, colors, etc. composition and camera settings were vitally important. My sister in law does a ton of post processing in the digital format and performs miracles with garbage shots. Simply amazing what she can do with my flubs. Can't compensate for poor composition, though, which I know all too well!
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Djb, the art and skill is not in the camera, software or lab. It is the eye in the viewfinder. You are correct, a box with a lens is a box with a lens. No question manually developing and printing images was a lifetime ago. Sometimes I long for those days as they were days of discovery. Photography was very simple and since there was no software to wildly adjust lighting, colors, etc. composition and camera settings were vitally important. My sister in law does a ton of post processing in the digital format and performs miracles with garbage shots. Simply amazing what she can do with my flubs. Can't compensate for poor composition, though, which I know all too well!
No color post-processing in the photos below, they are only reduced in size. First one was taken well after dark, exposure 4 seconds. The rest during daytime lighting.
The above were all taken with my waterproof point and shoot camera, a Pentax WG-3 that I bought in 2013 and am still using.
And sometimes a cute opportunity shows up, the one below was with an older Pentax X90 camera that has a lot of zoom.
The above were all taken on canoe trips in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area in Northern Minnesota.
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Very nice shots. I only have one zoom, the rest are fixed manuals from my film days, however I am losing the ability to manually focus so will be giving them up in the future for auto focus lenses. Don't like it because auto focus makes controlling where the focus is pinpointed more difficult, probably because I don't fully understand it in digital.
I went through a filter phase when shooting B&W film for landscapes. I have forgotten the results, but the image could be manipulated with reds and blues. With digital those lens filters can be mimic in the camera settings. During my many moves in the early years all the negatives I had kept of my travels and before were lost, gone forever. Guess it took the wind out of my sail and lost the itch to shoot until a few years ago when I picked up a K5. Then I got busy with work and life and stopped shooting, and now just getting reacquainted with the K5 again. Thinking about reactivating the film machine, but I am so darned cheap that it goes against my innermost cheapskate.
I went through a filter phase when shooting B&W film for landscapes. I have forgotten the results, but the image could be manipulated with reds and blues. With digital those lens filters can be mimic in the camera settings. During my many moves in the early years all the negatives I had kept of my travels and before were lost, gone forever. Guess it took the wind out of my sail and lost the itch to shoot until a few years ago when I picked up a K5. Then I got busy with work and life and stopped shooting, and now just getting reacquainted with the K5 again. Thinking about reactivating the film machine, but I am so darned cheap that it goes against my innermost cheapskate.
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Djb, the art and skill is not in the camera, software or lab. It is the eye in the viewfinder. You are correct, a box with a lens is a box with a lens. No question manually developing and printing images was a lifetime ago. Sometimes I long for those days as they were days of discovery. Photography was very simple and since there was no software to wildly adjust lighting, colors, etc. composition and camera settings were vitally important. My sister in law does a ton of post processing in the digital format and performs miracles with garbage shots. Simply amazing what she can do with my flubs. Can't compensate for poor composition, though, which I know all too well!
I know I improved over the decades, which is normal, but hey.....all this stuff if like talking dinosaur teeth brushing techniques, its all gone pretty much, for me anyway.
re filters, I had the yellow, red, green b+w filters, but as I shot people, I really didnt use them.
re colour--heck, shooting was waaaaay more finicky. We shot slides a lot, so had to have everything spot on, and for colour temperature differences we had to gel light sources, even had magenta long tubes of filters to put on flourescent lights in ceilings to colour balance those darn things at times....so it was a complicated affair, and why pros were pros. It took a lot of work and expertise. At some point, colour negative film improved greatly, especially in the colour balancing area, that made life a lot easier shooting in places with multiple light colour temps etc, but then digital came along and it was a real pain in the arse colour wise, and had all sorts of challenges to work through. Thankfully sensors improved greatly, and even though I dont do much anymore, at least sensors improved greatly when I was still working. (and ediiting software too thankfully)
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Very nice shots. I only have one zoom, the rest are fixed manuals from my film days, however I am losing the ability to manually focus so will be giving them up in the future for auto focus lenses. Don't like it because auto focus makes controlling where the focus is pinpointed more difficult, probably because I don't fully understand it in digital.
I went through a filter phase when shooting B&W film for landscapes. I have forgotten the results, but the image could be manipulated with reds and blues. With digital those lens filters can be mimic in the camera settings. During my many moves in the early years all the negatives I had kept of my travels and before were lost, gone forever. Guess it took the wind out of my sail and lost the itch to shoot until a few years ago when I picked up a K5. Then I got busy with work and life and stopped shooting, and now just getting reacquainted with the K5 again. Thinking about reactivating the film machine, but I am so darned cheap that it goes against my innermost cheapskate.
I went through a filter phase when shooting B&W film for landscapes. I have forgotten the results, but the image could be manipulated with reds and blues. With digital those lens filters can be mimic in the camera settings. During my many moves in the early years all the negatives I had kept of my travels and before were lost, gone forever. Guess it took the wind out of my sail and lost the itch to shoot until a few years ago when I picked up a K5. Then I got busy with work and life and stopped shooting, and now just getting reacquainted with the K5 again. Thinking about reactivating the film machine, but I am so darned cheap that it goes against my innermost cheapskate.
Quite happy with those zooms. Previously used some Tamron zooms, like 28 to 200 on the K100D body. And I think I had a wide angle zoom by Vivitar on the other K100D body. The K-30 has the electronics built in to remove pincushion and barrel distortion with some Pentax lenses, I have no clue if the K-5 can do that or not, maybe not.
I think when Tamron and some of the other lens makers stopped making Pentax mount lenses, that pretty much meant that Pentax was no longer a player in the game. I have no clue what the future of Pentax is, but as long as my gear keeps working, I will be happy with it.
And the K-30 offers so many bells and whistles that when I pick it up, I often struggle to figure out what to do. Not like the old days when you used your light meter to get a reading, then you had to decide did you want a fast shutter or did you want a wide depth of field, and that was about all you had to decide. I miss not having an aperture setting on the newer lenses, but that along with roll up windows in cars apparently did not sell anymore.
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A lab worker is way deeper into it than a hobbyist such as myself. My dad made a meager living from photography in the 40's and early 50's. Worked assignments for magazines while he studied EE, and was the one that introduced me to the hobby and developing/printing. My sister is still hanging on to his lab equipment, albeit sitting in boxes in her basement. I found myself playing around in Gimp the other day and realized I need instructions to be able to navigate the software. Could be fun should I find the time to learn it.
A lot of topic drift here, so on with the show. I have decided that I really dislike the wind steering my bike for me and am going to plunk down the cash for larger rear panniers and just use the Eclipse hbar bag for the camera and maps, ditch the front rack and rack trunk on it. It was a fun experiment, and I learned something.
A lot of topic drift here, so on with the show. I have decided that I really dislike the wind steering my bike for me and am going to plunk down the cash for larger rear panniers and just use the Eclipse hbar bag for the camera and maps, ditch the front rack and rack trunk on it. It was a fun experiment, and I learned something.
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Interesting discussion re filters and post processing. I have a couple of photographer pals and they tell me about the different guidelines people operate under.
In UW photography a certain amount of post production work is accepted as there is usually particulate in the water and the white balance gets wonky. Above water, I can take the same shot with my P&S and my phone and am amazed at how much more detail and colour the phone produces. In some ways it has replaced the Olympus except that it (the Olympus) is a Tough series and much more suited to rough/water based activities. I would not risk my phone taking shots SUP or kayaking or cycling in the rain. Some photogs are ditching their cameras in favour of I phones these days I am told.
I also like B&W Ansel Adams thing and want to develop my capacity within that niche so I convert a lot of my images. I've got a setting on my Olympus for it but it's far easier to work with images in software. I've learned a lot about different aspects of lighting that way as I see what effect manipulating settings has on an image. To progress from there I would probably need a larger, more dedicated camera (wide angle/fuller format) but then problems like weight, portability and delicacy come into play, so for now I compromise. I took these while trail running with a camera in my hand and mtbing with the camera in my jersey pocket, respectively.
In UW photography a certain amount of post production work is accepted as there is usually particulate in the water and the white balance gets wonky. Above water, I can take the same shot with my P&S and my phone and am amazed at how much more detail and colour the phone produces. In some ways it has replaced the Olympus except that it (the Olympus) is a Tough series and much more suited to rough/water based activities. I would not risk my phone taking shots SUP or kayaking or cycling in the rain. Some photogs are ditching their cameras in favour of I phones these days I am told.
I also like B&W Ansel Adams thing and want to develop my capacity within that niche so I convert a lot of my images. I've got a setting on my Olympus for it but it's far easier to work with images in software. I've learned a lot about different aspects of lighting that way as I see what effect manipulating settings has on an image. To progress from there I would probably need a larger, more dedicated camera (wide angle/fuller format) but then problems like weight, portability and delicacy come into play, so for now I compromise. I took these while trail running with a camera in my hand and mtbing with the camera in my jersey pocket, respectively.
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A lab worker is way deeper into it than a hobbyist such as myself. My dad made a meager living from photography in the 40's and early 50's. Worked assignments for magazines while he studied EE, and was the one that introduced me to the hobby and developing/printing. My sister is still hanging on to his lab equipment, albeit sitting in boxes in her basement. I found myself playing around in Gimp the other day and realized I need instructions to be able to navigate the software. Could be fun should I find the time to learn it.
A lot of topic drift here, so on with the show. I have decided that I really dislike the wind steering my bike for me and am going to plunk down the cash for larger rear panniers and just use the Eclipse hbar bag for the camera and maps, ditch the front rack and rack trunk on it. It was a fun experiment, and I learned something.
A lot of topic drift here, so on with the show. I have decided that I really dislike the wind steering my bike for me and am going to plunk down the cash for larger rear panniers and just use the Eclipse hbar bag for the camera and maps, ditch the front rack and rack trunk on it. It was a fun experiment, and I learned something.
I'm surprised by how much art students and whatnot still shoot film.
re your issue with steering. maybe because my front panniers are low down on a lowrider rack, I have never felt the way you describe, and I'm really really picky and sensitive to front end feel. I suspect the difference is the weight being much higher up for you. As you say though, a good experiment to find out what you don't like.
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I had (still have but no longer use) a couple Pentax K100D bodies, not many pixels so they now languish. Five or six years ago bought three K-30 bodies, someone on Ebay had a mountain of Pentax gear that was "factory refurbished" and they offered a good enough warranty that I was not worried about them not being "new". At that time bought (all used) 55 to 300mm zoom, the kit lens 18 to 55 zoom, the 18-250 zoom. A non-Pentax 1.5 tele-extende lives between the 55 - 300 and the body.
Quite happy with those zooms. Previously used some Tamron zooms, like 28 to 200 on the K100D body. And I think I had a wide angle zoom by Vivitar on the other K100D body. The K-30 has the electronics built in to remove pincushion and barrel distortion with some Pentax lenses, I have no clue if the K-5 can do that or not, maybe not.
I think when Tamron and some of the other lens makers stopped making Pentax mount lenses, that pretty much meant that Pentax was no longer a player in the game. I have no clue what the future of Pentax is, but as long as my gear keeps working, I will be happy with it.
And the K-30 offers so many bells and whistles that when I pick it up, I often struggle to figure out what to do. Not like the old days when you used your light meter to get a reading, then you had to decide did you want a fast shutter or did you want a wide depth of field, and that was about all you had to decide. I miss not having an aperture setting on the newer lenses, but that along with roll up windows in cars apparently did not sell anymore.
Quite happy with those zooms. Previously used some Tamron zooms, like 28 to 200 on the K100D body. And I think I had a wide angle zoom by Vivitar on the other K100D body. The K-30 has the electronics built in to remove pincushion and barrel distortion with some Pentax lenses, I have no clue if the K-5 can do that or not, maybe not.
I think when Tamron and some of the other lens makers stopped making Pentax mount lenses, that pretty much meant that Pentax was no longer a player in the game. I have no clue what the future of Pentax is, but as long as my gear keeps working, I will be happy with it.
And the K-30 offers so many bells and whistles that when I pick it up, I often struggle to figure out what to do. Not like the old days when you used your light meter to get a reading, then you had to decide did you want a fast shutter or did you want a wide depth of field, and that was about all you had to decide. I miss not having an aperture setting on the newer lenses, but that along with roll up windows in cars apparently did not sell anymore.
One of the photos in the vicinity of my place taken with Pentax K-1 and 20mm manual focusing prime lens.
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I am just getting lazy on focus, usually using the auto focus zooms. But occasionally use some old M42 lenses, a Takumar 50mm that is f1.4, a Russian Jupiter 9 that is 85mm and f2, and a Russian 3M5A 500mm f8 mirror lens. I have a box of old M42 lenses, most have not been touched for a decade or more.
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Interesting discussion re filters and post processing. I have a couple of photographer pals and they tell me about the different guidelines people operate under.
In UW photography a certain amount of post production work is accepted as there is usually particulate in the water and the white balance gets wonky. Above water, I can take the same shot with my P&S and my phone and am amazed at how much more detail and colour the phone produces. In some ways it has replaced the Olympus except that it (the Olympus) is a Tough series and much more suited to rough/water based activities. I would not risk my phone taking shots SUP or kayaking or cycling in the rain. Some photogs are ditching their cameras in favour of I phones these days I am told.
I also like B&W Ansel Adams thing and want to develop my capacity within that niche so I convert a lot of my images. I've got a setting on my Olympus for it but it's far easier to work with images in software. I've learned a lot about different aspects of lighting that way as I see what effect manipulating settings has on an image. To progress from there I would probably need a larger, more dedicated camera (wide angle/fuller format) but then problems like weight, portability and delicacy come into play, so for now I compromise. I took these while trail running with a camera in my hand and mtbing with the camera in my jersey pocket, respectively.
In UW photography a certain amount of post production work is accepted as there is usually particulate in the water and the white balance gets wonky. Above water, I can take the same shot with my P&S and my phone and am amazed at how much more detail and colour the phone produces. In some ways it has replaced the Olympus except that it (the Olympus) is a Tough series and much more suited to rough/water based activities. I would not risk my phone taking shots SUP or kayaking or cycling in the rain. Some photogs are ditching their cameras in favour of I phones these days I am told.
I also like B&W Ansel Adams thing and want to develop my capacity within that niche so I convert a lot of my images. I've got a setting on my Olympus for it but it's far easier to work with images in software. I've learned a lot about different aspects of lighting that way as I see what effect manipulating settings has on an image. To progress from there I would probably need a larger, more dedicated camera (wide angle/fuller format) but then problems like weight, portability and delicacy come into play, so for now I compromise. I took these while trail running with a camera in my hand and mtbing with the camera in my jersey pocket, respectively.
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I agree! We were fortunate enough to spend a couple of days in that area last summer. I was glad to be working with GBs and not rolls of film. I'd still be paying the bill
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I am just getting lazy on focus, usually using the auto focus zooms. But occasionally use some old M42 lenses, a Takumar 50mm that is f1.4, a Russian Jupiter 9 that is 85mm and f2, and a Russian 3M5A 500mm f8 mirror lens. I have a box of old M42 lenses, most have not been touched for a decade or more.
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Have need to pack my DSLR on the bike for touring and believe I can protect it from road vibrations and shock from bumps fairly well with pick and pack foam sheets from Uline. Has anyone out there used foam to protect any sensitive device from road vibrations and shock from bumps on their bike? Any other way to do this outside of carrying the camera on my body? Please understand the DSLR is what I am taking, and will not use any other camera, so please do not thread drift with suggestions or recommendations of other cameras to use in place of the DSLR.
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LuckySailor, it is never too late to arrive at the party! Thanks for the input as I have been playing around with the carry options and really like the set up I have with one exception, crosswinds with gear on the front rack. Someone suggested lowriders, which I have, but never liked, so I am going to give carrying the camera in a fanny pack a try, as suggested by other posts as well as yourself (carry on body). When I was into centuries and double centuries I used a fanny pack to carry some heavy stuff with me such as tools, water and food. The fanny pack is a Rhode Gear and quite large with an expandable top and straps on the bottom I uses to hold a pair of sandals. For the most part it was OK, but not sure if it will be OK on day 30! Going to find out with a test of 3 days and see what it is like.
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LuckySailor, it is never too late to arrive at the party! Thanks for the input as I have been playing around with the carry options and really like the set up I have with one exception, crosswinds with gear on the front rack. Someone suggested lowriders, which I have, but never liked, so I am going to give carrying the camera in a fanny pack a try, as suggested by other posts as well as yourself (carry on body). When I was into centuries and double centuries I used a fanny pack to carry some heavy stuff with me such as tools, water and food. The fanny pack is a Rhode Gear and quite large with an expandable top and straps on the bottom I uses to hold a pair of sandals. For the most part it was OK, but not sure if it will be OK on day 30! Going to find out with a test of 3 days and see what it is like.
become excruciating after a short time. and it would suck if the belt
buckle popped loose as they occasionally do.
if on the body, carried higher might be more comfortable and more secure.
how 'bout a camelbak or similar with the bladder removed and some
extra foam padding added?
they're designed to carry about the same amount of weight. numerous
posters on this board tour with them.
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Re fanny packs, I can't imagine riding with them because I used a camera fanny pack and lens pouches on the belt for ages working. They work great compared to a camera bag but do get tiresome after many hours. I regularly shifted positron of it during long assignments, but sure wouldn't want to ride with even a lightish one.
but only way to know is to try.
but only way to know is to try.
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Re fanny packs, I can't imagine riding with them because I used a camera fanny pack and lens pouches on the belt for ages working. They work great compared to a camera bag but do get tiresome after many hours. I regularly shifted positron of it during long assignments, but sure wouldn't want to ride with even a lightish one.
but only way to know is to try.
but only way to know is to try.
RE: shifting positrons
"The positron or antielectron is the antiparticle or the antimatter counterpart of the electron. The positron has an electric charge of +1 e, a spin of 1/2, and has the same mass as an electron. When a positron collides with an electron, annihilation occurs."
NEVER shift positrons in a fanny pack when riding a crabon bike! this is when assplosion occurs!
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I gots me a fine arts degree so don't understand anything of that, but I'll take your word for it.
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Headed out for 4 hours in about 30. Camera and extra lens plus charger in the pack. For sure it is bulky! Will need to create something to keep the bits separated.
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LuckySailor, it is never too late to arrive at the party! Thanks for the input as I have been playing around with the carry options and really like the set up I have with one exception, crosswinds with gear on the front rack. Someone suggested lowriders, which I have, but never liked, so I am going to give carrying the camera in a fanny pack a try, ....
For touring you would want to have a way to keep the camera and lenses dry on rainy days, a dry bag in the fanny pack should work.