It's Orange Bike Month
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The harlequin wrap is relatively easy on the straight sections, once you figure out the basics. I need to practice the curved sections, due to the conflicting needs to not have a section of tape overlap itself (to maintain the diamond pattern) and the basic math that says that the length of the path on the inside of the curve is less than the length of the path along the outside of the curve.
I recall folks mentioning that it can be easier with tape that stretches more. Presumably this lets you narrow the tape a bit by putting more tension on it, and this solves the issue of needing to be narrow on the inside of the curved sections.
The issue of getting the pattern to go by the brake levers without messing up the diamonds is something I haven't dealt with yet... at least not directly. With the bar-end shifters, I decided it would be cleaner to start both at the top of the bars and at the ends. Both sections go towards the brake levers and terminate there.
I'm not sure how much it matters, but having the bars off the bike might help. I was changing to new cables and housing at the same time, so it made sense.
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Not classic or exotic but it's mine and I love it.
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My frame was built in 1981. I had it built as a sports touring frame. At that time you had to find your own painter. We built it for 27" wheels which I thought would be better for a tour I had planned. It was built with first generation Durace. I regretted pretty quickly and would have liked 700c better. I rode it on RAGBRAI in 1982 and it performed really well. If it would have had 700c I would have loved the bike, that sort of put me off on the bike so traded it at Michael's for a Strawberry frameset that had belonged to John Karras who is one of the founders for RAGBRAI. I then have ridden racing bikes pretty much since.
27" wheels were still common back then, but it's a shame that the frame wasn't tweaked to allow the brakes to be adjusted to handle 700C too.
For my frame, I didn't give any thought to brake pad position in the slots, and the front brake pads ended up about mid-slot. Many years later, I was using the bike with fenders for commuting and wanted more clearance under the fork crown. When I had Dave Huff paint and do minor mods, he added some material to the front dropouts to move the axle a few mm away from the fork crown.
These sorts of obsolescence issues happen to all bikes and are hard to anticipate. With a steel frame, there are options for updating the braze-ons, bridges on the stays, etc., to keep up technical or fashion changes.
Ending up with Karras's old Strawberry frame is a good thing! Was that built by Mark DiNucci? He makes some really sweet bikes! About the only bad aspect of having a frame owned by John Karras is knowing that it probably had a ton of miles on it.
Steve in Peoria
and for fun, a shot of John Karras on RAGBRAI in 1991.....
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When Oranges turn black, conversion therapy (yeah, it's a cheat)
1995 C16R Drop bar gubbins...
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Recent acquisition I didn't have room for even after selling more than half my stable this past 12mos, but at $100 for a TdF/SC that was mostly-original, I had a hard time saying no.
Not nearly as nice as the blue TdF I got for $125 a few years ago. Needs a looooot of work. But it's orange, so I guess it fits here. All that grime, just keepin' it real!
Not nearly as nice as the blue TdF I got for $125 a few years ago. Needs a looooot of work. But it's orange, so I guess it fits here. All that grime, just keepin' it real!
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Hey, I’ve got an orange bike! Not exactly C&V, but here’s my ‘00 Rivendell:
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Neat! I didn't realize that Gordon was building frames that early. I'd guess he wasn't retired yet.
27" wheels were still common back then, but it's a shame that the frame wasn't tweaked to allow the brakes to be adjusted to handle 700C too.
For my frame, I didn't give any thought to brake pad position in the slots, and the front brake pads ended up about mid-slot. Many years later, I was using the bike with fenders for commuting and wanted more clearance under the fork crown. When I had Dave Huff paint and do minor mods, he added some material to the front dropouts to move the axle a few mm away from the fork crown.
These sorts of obsolescence issues happen to all bikes and are hard to anticipate. With a steel frame, there are options for updating the braze-ons, bridges on the stays, etc., to keep up technical or fashion changes.
Ending up with Karras's old Strawberry frame is a good thing! Was that built by Mark DiNucci? He makes some really sweet bikes! About the only bad aspect of having a frame owned by John Karras is knowing that it probably had a ton of miles on it.
Steve in Peoria
and for fun, a shot of John Karras on RAGBRAI in 1991.....
27" wheels were still common back then, but it's a shame that the frame wasn't tweaked to allow the brakes to be adjusted to handle 700C too.
For my frame, I didn't give any thought to brake pad position in the slots, and the front brake pads ended up about mid-slot. Many years later, I was using the bike with fenders for commuting and wanted more clearance under the fork crown. When I had Dave Huff paint and do minor mods, he added some material to the front dropouts to move the axle a few mm away from the fork crown.
These sorts of obsolescence issues happen to all bikes and are hard to anticipate. With a steel frame, there are options for updating the braze-ons, bridges on the stays, etc., to keep up technical or fashion changes.
Ending up with Karras's old Strawberry frame is a good thing! Was that built by Mark DiNucci? He makes some really sweet bikes! About the only bad aspect of having a frame owned by John Karras is knowing that it probably had a ton of miles on it.
Steve in Peoria
and for fun, a shot of John Karras on RAGBRAI in 1991.....
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Great picture! Yes my Strawberry was built by Mark and had those beautifully thinned lugs. During my TREK days we added braze-ons and had it repainted. Shortly after our move to Pennsylvania I sold the Strawberry as I had more tied-up in bikes then my two cars and we were in need of a newer car. :-)
One of his Strawberry frames was on display at the 2018 Classic Rendezvous gathering... the lugs are so minimalist and clean.
Mark had a booth at the 2015 NAHBS in Louisville, and had an amazing "naked" frame on display....
so many great frames in the world, and so little storage space!
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(but I stay pretty busy just riding the bikes that I've got)
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Mark DiNucci is one of those guys who has been producing great frames for decades, but hasn't gotten a lot of recognition.
One of his Strawberry frames was on display at the 2018 Classic Rendezvous gathering... the lugs are so minimalist and clean.
Mark had a booth at the 2015 NAHBS in Louisville, and had an amazing "naked" frame on display....
so many great frames in the world, and so little storage space!
Steve in Peoria
(but I stay pretty busy just riding the bikes that I've got)
One of his Strawberry frames was on display at the 2018 Classic Rendezvous gathering... the lugs are so minimalist and clean.
Mark had a booth at the 2015 NAHBS in Louisville, and had an amazing "naked" frame on display....
so many great frames in the world, and so little storage space!
Steve in Peoria
(but I stay pretty busy just riding the bikes that I've got)
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At least orange highlights. 1958 Alex Singer with integrated head tube lugs, original Singer front brake (rear later updated by shop), no seat post bolt on frame (internal expander post instead), and lots of other quirky French charm.
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I recently found a Guerciotti 58cm Pista Track Frame that needed a repaint. Wanted to keep the original decals and see what I could accomplish on my own. I never attempted to paint a frame before so looked forward to seeing what I could accomplish with a can. Im happy with the result and like the way the original decals show the real patina.
The decals stand out more with the darker orange new paint
Also never owned an orange bike so was a great find. I also love Guerciotti bikes and have owned many including a very nice road bike that I ride often.
The decals stand out more with the darker orange new paint
Also never owned an orange bike so was a great find. I also love Guerciotti bikes and have owned many including a very nice road bike that I ride often.
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@DMNHCAGrandPrix very impressive bike.
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They really nailed it with that creamsicle color combo. I coveted a creamsicle Rambouillet in my size for waaaay too long. I found one in mint shape one size too small a couple years back and it pained me not to buy it.
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The "dropout" is actually a hole for a through axle. The original 1958 version of bike probably came with a Nivex or other chainstay mounted derailleur. Singer used a chain rest on the nside of the dropout, and a split axle hub to facilitate rear wheel removal. (You shift chain from freewheel to chain rest, then unscrew outer part of split axle, then let remainder of wheel drop straight down). The original owner later updated to more conventional derailleurs at the Singer shop. The chain rest and through-hole remain however, part of that quirky French charm that has been interesting to work with on this classic but "multiple eras" bike.
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The Retrogrouch: Campagnolo Portacatena: A Neat Idea Whose Time Never Came
As noted, the problem was that you had to give up the space for a freewheel cog, and that wasn't a popular trade.
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Another Black Mountain Cycles road. Not C&V, but color appropriate at least! It's my daily driver.
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