Zwift racer caught cheating
12-12-22, 04:23 PM
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Let’s see. I was responding to a post of how could a person feel proud of taking the podium if they know they cheated to get there. The question was not, because everyone was doing it, was it right? It was a moral/ethical question. I am fully aware of the history of that time and what it took to win, but that was not the question or issue I was addressing. If don’t understand the difference, that is not my problem.
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Let’s see. I was responding to a post of how could a person feel proud of taking the podium if they know they cheated to get there. The question was not, because everyone was doing it, was it right? It was a moral/ethical question. I am fully aware of the history of that time and what it took to win, but that was not the question or issue I was addressing. If don’t understand the difference, that is not my problem.
12-13-22, 12:50 PM
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The idea of encrypting power data that dcrainmaker talks about is pretty interesting. If zwift racing is going to get fully accepted, then something like that has to happen. The guy zwift caught was just sloppy at it. I guess it disconnected in the pen because the amplification is too obvious before you're pedaling.
12-13-22, 01:02 PM
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It’s a shame, there is a guy in my area that went and took a lot of KOMs. Never saw him before, no one seems to know who he is, and his ride history is nothing spectacular. His data looks more like an E- Bike than real numbers.
Always wondered why someone would be proud of a podium knowing they cheated to get there.
Always wondered why someone would be proud of a podium knowing they cheated to get there.
12-13-22, 01:36 PM
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Likewise, I am always amazed by supporters of people who are megalomaniacs, liers, swindlers and frauds. Wonder how many supporters Floyd Landis has? There have been a number of movies about clever robbers (Ocean’s 11, etc) where people root for the crooks. Is it because they are just like them or want to be them?
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Likewise, I am always amazed by supporters of people who are megalomaniacs, liers, swindlers and frauds. Wonder how many supporters Floyd Landis has? There have been a number of movies about clever robbers (Ocean’s 11, etc) where people root for the crooks. Is it because they are just like them or want to be them?
Though I'm actually disturbed by the rooting for Cobra Kai...
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Likewise, I am always amazed by supporters of people who are megalomaniacs, liers, swindlers and frauds. Wonder how many supporters Floyd Landis has? There have been a number of movies about clever robbers (Ocean’s 11, etc) where people root for the crooks. Is it because they are just like them or want to be them?
Oh, and don't forget the time he got drunk and crashed his car, then let his girlfriend take the rap. And they say that chivalry is dead.
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12-13-22, 09:29 PM
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Let’s see. I was responding to a post of how could a person feel proud of taking the podium if they know they cheated to get there. The question was not, because everyone was doing it, was it right? It was a moral/ethical question. I am fully aware of the history of that time and what it took to win, but that was not the question or issue I was addressing. If don’t understand the difference, that is not my problem.
Sometimes trying to understand just makes it worse for you.
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People cheat at marathons when there's no prize for anyone. A friend of mine ran a marathon this year where somebody ran a few miles, got in a car and drove toward the finish line, and ran the last few miles. People lie to themselves about finishing a recreational race with nothing on the line.
Sometimes trying to understand just makes it worse for you.
Sometimes trying to understand just makes it worse for you.
The event is pretty grassroots, so much info is given and traded on a facebook page. A couple weeks before the ride, some guy posted a question: can I ride my e-assist bike, just to participate? Organizers said "No, this is a test of climbing ability. Acoustic bikes only." eBiker got pretty pissy about it. I never understood that. I mean, if you've got a motor on your bike, why would you even be interested in participating?
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12-14-22, 06:56 AM
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Likewise, I am always amazed by supporters of people who are megalomaniacs, liers, swindlers and frauds. Wonder how many supporters Floyd Landis has? There have been a number of movies about clever robbers (Ocean’s 11, etc) where people root for the crooks. Is it because they are just like them or want to be them?
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12-14-22, 10:47 AM
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Honestly I'm ambivalent about all the drugged superheroes of cycling from the 90s and 00s. I don't expect people with the monomaniacal drive to beat everyone else at a sport to be nice people whom I should emulate, so the fact that a TdF winner is a jerk comes as no surprise. Pretty sure a lot of other riders found Eddy Merckx to be a dick, too. Whatever you say about Lance, it's not like he just took EPO and then sat on the couch and won without working hard.
I kind of figure that, if you can get through your career and retire without getting caught, when you retire they should destroy all your samples, unless we plan to dig up Jaques Anquetil and test his bones for amphetamines (which, no, is not a thing).
I kind of figure that, if you can get through your career and retire without getting caught, when you retire they should destroy all your samples, unless we plan to dig up Jaques Anquetil and test his bones for amphetamines (which, no, is not a thing).
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12-14-22, 11:00 AM
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Honestly I'm ambivalent about all the drugged superheroes of cycling from the 90s and 00s. I don't expect people with the monomaniacal drive to beat everyone else at a sport to be nice people whom I should emulate, so the fact that a TdF winner is a jerk comes as no surprise. Pretty sure a lot of other riders found Eddy Merckx to be a dick, too. Whatever you say about Lance, it's not like he just took EPO and then sat on the couch and won without working hard.
I kind of figure that, if you can get through your career and retire without getting caught, when you retire they should destroy all your samples, unless we plan to dig up Jaques Anquetil and test his bones for amphetamines (which, no, is not a thing).
I kind of figure that, if you can get through your career and retire without getting caught, when you retire they should destroy all your samples, unless we plan to dig up Jaques Anquetil and test his bones for amphetamines (which, no, is not a thing).
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There are a few TDF winners who were not jerks. I'm pretty sure Indurain was a nice guy and Geraint Thomas comes across very well in his podcast. The latest crop of young superstars also appear to be pretty decent characters. It's not so much the doping that I hold against Lance, it's more his behaviour around the peloton and his own team mates. The more you read into it, the more of an ******* he looks. Yet he remains a hero to many fans of his generation.
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There are a few TDF winners who were not jerks. I'm pretty sure Indurain was a nice guy and Geraint Thomas comes across very well in his podcast. The latest crop of young superstars also appear to be pretty decent characters. It's not so much the doping that I hold against Lance, it's more his behaviour around the peloton and his own team mates. The more you read into it, the more of an ******* he looks. Yet he remains a hero to many fans of his generation.
A TdF winner, not a jerk IMHO was Greg LeMond. There were just plain jerks, and then dopey jerks. History tends to keep few secrets.
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Who's this Lance feller everybody keeps mentioning? 
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Oh, I'm not saying winners can't be nice people. I'm saying I don't expect it. For decades we tried to make sports stars into models of behavior, but they are no better than anyone else, and maybe worse. We don't pay them to be nice people who serve as guides of morality. We pay them to win.
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I haven't read all that much about LeMond, but he seems like an interesting guy. I've read various anecdotal accounts of him having a very keen eye on tech and details, combined with massive enthusiasm and energy. Certainly haven't read anything negative about him as a personality. Bernard Hinault on the other hand comes across as a fairly unpleasant character.
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