Derailleur question
12-20-22, 09:32 PM
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Derailleur question
Hi all, I'm just wondering, since I've heard conflicting stories, about the actual range of the rear derailleur. As a for instance, I currently have a 8 speed cassette on my folder, thinking of going to a 10 since I have one laying around,. I know I have to change the shifter and chain, but won't that same derailleur work, since shifting is indexed? Thanks in advance, I hope it can work, if not with a trigger shifter maybe friction?
12-20-22, 09:41 PM
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What brands, era, road or mountain??
IF you had Shimano compatible components I'd say 8 to 9 speed is no problem. 10 adds a maybe a problem.
There are always exceptions such as some real old Shimao Dura Ace stuff.
Provide more details about what you have re brands & model numbers and one can give much better answers.
IF you had Shimano compatible components I'd say 8 to 9 speed is no problem. 10 adds a maybe a problem.
There are always exceptions such as some real old Shimao Dura Ace stuff.
Provide more details about what you have re brands & model numbers and one can give much better answers.
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Hi all, I'm just wondering, since I've heard conflicting stories, about the actual range of the rear derailleur. As a for instance, I currently have a 8 speed cassette on my folder, thinking of going to a 10 since I have one laying around,. I know I have to change the shifter and chain, but won't that same derailleur work, since shifting is indexed? Thanks in advance, I hope it can work, if not with a trigger shifter maybe friction?
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Hi all, I'm just wondering, since I've heard conflicting stories, about the actual range of the rear derailleur. As a for instance, I currently have a 8 speed cassette on my folder, thinking of going to a 10 since I have one laying around,. I know I have to change the shifter and chain, but won't that same derailleur work, since shifting is indexed? Thanks in advance, I hope it can work, if not with a trigger shifter maybe friction?
If Shimano road, 8, 9 and 10 speed are interchangeable since the shift ratios are the same, so the 10-speed shifter will work fine with the 8-speed derailleur. If Shimano mountain, 10-speed is a different shift ratio and an 8-speed derailleur won't work with a 10-speed shifter.
12-21-22, 05:06 PM
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Hi all, I'm just wondering, since I've heard conflicting stories, about the actual range of the rear derailleur. As a for instance, I currently have a 8 speed cassette on my folder, thinking of going to a 10 since I have one laying around,. I know I have to change the shifter and chain, but won't that same derailleur work, since shifting is indexed? Thanks in advance, I hope it can work, if not with a trigger shifter maybe friction?
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@jdogg111 - You said you have a folder. What size wheels? Shimano made a rear cassette with a 9 tooth sprocket. It is only compatible with itself. check it.
What size wheels do you have or what brand folder is it? Some have really unique components.
What size wheels do you have or what brand folder is it? Some have really unique components.
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jdog111, I had the same question in mind! Like you, I was also thinking of upgrading the Zizzo Liberte’s stock drive chain from an 8-sp to either a 9 or 10-sp.
The stock components are:
Shimano Revo 8-Speed Grip Style Shifter with Gear Viewing Window
Shimano Altus 8 speed direct mount RD
Suntek Nickel Plated 11-32T 8-Speed cassette
20” 406 130mm OLD rear wheel.
The stock components are:
Shimano Revo 8-Speed Grip Style Shifter with Gear Viewing Window
Shimano Altus 8 speed direct mount RD
Suntek Nickel Plated 11-32T 8-Speed cassette
20” 406 130mm OLD rear wheel.
12-21-22, 07:18 PM
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8-speed derailleur will work fine with 10-speed Shimano road shifter and cassette. Keep in mind that 8, 9 and 10 speed cassettes are all the same total width, but the spacing between cogs became less as number of cogs increased. The range of the rear derailleur is the same.
12-22-22, 12:14 AM
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Actually, this poster shouldn't have deleted their post-
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
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Actually, this poster shouldn't have deleted their post-
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
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The OP needs to look for a shifter that is 5600/6600/7800 or earlier generation.
12-22-22, 10:05 AM
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If you already have the stuff, then why not try it and see? However if you have indexed shifters, then you need to get 10 speed indexed shifters. Of course friction shifters might work. But I'll think that finding the right place to catch a particular gear will be a little more fiddly for you. But I don't know I went to indexed after leaving 6 and 7 speed freewheels.
Width difference of a 8 speed cassette and 10 speed cassette might be the same to a couple mm depending on what exactly you have. A bigger concern for the cassettes might be if the large cog on the 10 speed is larger than the large cog of the 8 speed. Some DR's might not clear that gear as they travel to the low gear side.
If you adjust your limit screws out all the way then you can see what the full swing is on your DR by disconnecting the cable and simply pushing on it and measuring.
Width difference of a 8 speed cassette and 10 speed cassette might be the same to a couple mm depending on what exactly you have. A bigger concern for the cassettes might be if the large cog on the 10 speed is larger than the large cog of the 8 speed. Some DR's might not clear that gear as they travel to the low gear side.
If you adjust your limit screws out all the way then you can see what the full swing is on your DR by disconnecting the cable and simply pushing on it and measuring.
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12-22-22, 11:32 AM
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Actually, this poster shouldn't have deleted their post-
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
I beat them by a few seconds and we were pretty much saying the same thing.
However, this poster also mentioned a maximum cog size being a possible factor. I failed to do so.
2 people answering the same way within minutes of the OP simply reinforce each other.
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If you already have the stuff, then why not try it and see? However if you have indexed shifters, then you need to get 10 speed indexed shifters. Of course friction shifters might work. But I'll think that finding the right place to catch a particular gear will be a little more fiddly for you. But I don't know I went to indexed after leaving 6 and 7 speed freewheels.
Width difference of a 8 speed cassette and 10 speed cassette might be the same to a couple mm depending on what exactly you have. A bigger concern for the cassettes might be if the large cog on the 10 speed is larger than the large cog of the 8 speed. Some DR's might not clear that gear as they travel to the low gear side.
If you adjust your limit screws out all the way then you can see what the full swing is on your DR by disconnecting the cable and simply pushing on it and measuring.
Width difference of a 8 speed cassette and 10 speed cassette might be the same to a couple mm depending on what exactly you have. A bigger concern for the cassettes might be if the large cog on the 10 speed is larger than the large cog of the 8 speed. Some DR's might not clear that gear as they travel to the low gear side.
If you adjust your limit screws out all the way then you can see what the full swing is on your DR by disconnecting the cable and simply pushing on it and measuring.
12-22-22, 02:24 PM
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