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10-28-22, 02:02 AM
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, its all going just about perfectly, as far as I can tell. 
10-28-22, 06:57 AM
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Did a little easy work this morning, shifters, cable guide (from Le Champ of 1971), Randys seat bolt, reversed spindle, crank dust caps.
Next is to add pads to the brake calipers and attach. will likily add tire savers too, from 1972.
Next is to add pads to the brake calipers and attach. will likily add tire savers too, from 1972.
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Having difficulty editing the previous post so here are the rest of the picsl.
71BianchiShifters+ on Flickr
71BianchiShifters on Flickr
71BianchiTopHS on Flickr
71BianchiMorning20221028 on Flickr
After adding the parts, I am now embracing the Patina! I did try some of the touch up paint, its a poor match but it looks OK from a distance and protects what is under the clamps. I don' care if the rest falls off, I may actually remove it. All the little nicks from previous adjustments etc. add character to the frame, which is otherwise pretty good looking from a distance.
I am also admiring the head lugs, love that chrome and longer tangs! The integrated HS just is icing on the cake.
I still haven't replaced the front hub cones, which were gifted to me as full axles, front and back.
The challenge is to identify the right tools to tighten the HS. I should replace the bearings too. They are 5/64ths as mentioned and buying 500-1000 is not really reasonable. The HS operates really smoothly so the mechanical performance demand isn't there.
I have some Campagnolo grease from the same time period which has not separated yet so it is in the HS and BB. The hubs have Phills grease.
As of this date, the plan is to finish assembling and ride,
71BianchiShifters+ on Flickr71BianchiShifters on Flickr71BianchiTopHS on Flickr71BianchiMorning20221028 on FlickrAfter adding the parts, I am now embracing the Patina! I did try some of the touch up paint, its a poor match but it looks OK from a distance and protects what is under the clamps. I don' care if the rest falls off, I may actually remove it. All the little nicks from previous adjustments etc. add character to the frame, which is otherwise pretty good looking from a distance.
I am also admiring the head lugs, love that chrome and longer tangs! The integrated HS just is icing on the cake.
I still haven't replaced the front hub cones, which were gifted to me as full axles, front and back.
The challenge is to identify the right tools to tighten the HS. I should replace the bearings too. They are 5/64ths as mentioned and buying 500-1000 is not really reasonable. The HS operates really smoothly so the mechanical performance demand isn't there.
I have some Campagnolo grease from the same time period which has not separated yet so it is in the HS and BB. The hubs have Phills grease.
As of this date, the plan is to finish assembling and ride,
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10-28-22, 09:13 AM
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Haven't found the pads yet but the tire savers were found in the process.
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Started a serch for the brake pads. Found them where they should have been. I just didn't see them
In the process, i found SS axle locators ordered a couple of years ago. Too short so will order longer ones.
There is ihe issue of the seat lug binder bolt shown above. While looking for the pads, I found a long brake nut for a carbon bike from a pair of brakes mounted on the De Rosa. Light bultb went off!
Perfect fit an looks better than the 7/16 bolt shown above. I just need teh other half. I think a allen head will do fine with a washer. It doesn't go all the way through. With inspection, I now know what was in there.
At least I will have a better looking solution until the right one shows up if ever. The OD is 1.85mm. The paint in the notch is a giveaway to the configuration of the head of the original bolt
In the process, i found SS axle locators ordered a couple of years ago. Too short so will order longer ones.
There is ihe issue of the seat lug binder bolt shown above. While looking for the pads, I found a long brake nut for a carbon bike from a pair of brakes mounted on the De Rosa. Light bultb went off!
Perfect fit an looks better than the 7/16 bolt shown above. I just need teh other half. I think a allen head will do fine with a washer. It doesn't go all the way through. With inspection, I now know what was in there.
At least I will have a better looking solution until the right one shows up if ever. The OD is 1.85mm. The paint in the notch is a giveaway to the configuration of the head of the original bolt
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Ordered red cable housing which showed up yesterday. It is more like orange or pink than red. Sending it back
Did a trial routing and discovered I need a Huret cable clamp. I only have two.
Decided to mound the pads shown above on the rear brake after cleaning it up a bit. It has lots of rust induced Patina that has been removed. Discovered I need a slight drop bolt or file out the slots for the pads to line up. Drop bolts are not priced acceptively I think I will wait until I have the cables and housing before coming to a conclusion. The pads are on the margin of fitting, need to be fully operational and adjusted before pursuing a $50 solution.!
Did a trial routing and discovered I need a Huret cable clamp. I only have two.
Decided to mound the pads shown above on the rear brake after cleaning it up a bit. It has lots of rust induced Patina that has been removed. Discovered I need a slight drop bolt or file out the slots for the pads to line up. Drop bolts are not priced acceptively I think I will wait until I have the cables and housing before coming to a conclusion. The pads are on the margin of fitting, need to be fully operational and adjusted before pursuing a $50 solution.!
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10-31-22, 11:53 AM
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Yeah, that red cable housing is hard to match. I have a whole roll of it out in the garage, but it's most likely a similar shade. I can send you some free of charge if you want.
On the Frejus, I opted for some of that vintage checkered stuff(link below), and the color match was pretty good for the bar wrap and the name on the decals. It's nice stuff, expensive, and won't accept the larger diameter Campagnolo cables from that era.
Another option could be a Celeste cable housing. I had some Modolo cable housing that is about the same color as original Camapgnolo stuff, that's what I used on my Bianchi. It looks pretty good, and didn't break the bank like original Campagnolo cable housing would have.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/yokozuna-vintage-housing-2mx5mm-italian-mesh-type-2230?search=vintage+housing#attr=3370
On the Frejus, I opted for some of that vintage checkered stuff(link below), and the color match was pretty good for the bar wrap and the name on the decals. It's nice stuff, expensive, and won't accept the larger diameter Campagnolo cables from that era.
Another option could be a Celeste cable housing. I had some Modolo cable housing that is about the same color as original Camapgnolo stuff, that's what I used on my Bianchi. It looks pretty good, and didn't break the bank like original Campagnolo cable housing would have.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/yokozuna-vintage-housing-2mx5mm-italian-mesh-type-2230?search=vintage+housing#attr=3370
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@Satbilder - will send PM
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Thanks to @satbuilder for the cable housing. Installed yesterday along with shifting cables. Took a good while to dress the ends of the housing and find the right cables and trim them too!
The issue of the rear pads aligning with the rim is resolved. With them all the way down in the slot, they just hit the rim correctly.
I also confirmed that the rear triangle offset of 5 mm does have an impact.
Good thing I have not added the decals. The rim is dished correctly I could either disk it to match the frame or add spacers short of trying to align the triangle. Hmmm.....
In addition, I picked a FD to use that was covered in gunk, er preservative, and cleaned it up. Hadn't taken this type apart before. Stuck the parts in the sonic cleaner after bushing it off. Parts look pretty good with the exception of the missing chrome.
Waiting for the TT cable clamps to show up to redistribute and add a third. Cables may be a bit long. I need to make sure the handlebars are in the right location first.
I also cleaned a couple of chains in the stash. I do have a SIDIS that would work but not sure if it is long enough. Should be.
Two item missing is a step-down ferrule and a wound cable housing like on the Bott and Colnago. I only had two of the latter and don't know i I have another step down or not. I think the last one went on the De Rosa.
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The issue of the rear pads aligning with the rim is resolved. With them all the way down in the slot, they just hit the rim correctly.
I also confirmed that the rear triangle offset of 5 mm does have an impact.
Good thing I have not added the decals. The rim is dished correctly I could either disk it to match the frame or add spacers short of trying to align the triangle. Hmmm.....
In addition, I picked a FD to use that was covered in gunk, er preservative, and cleaned it up. Hadn't taken this type apart before. Stuck the parts in the sonic cleaner after bushing it off. Parts look pretty good with the exception of the missing chrome.
Waiting for the TT cable clamps to show up to redistribute and add a third. Cables may be a bit long. I need to make sure the handlebars are in the right location first.
I also cleaned a couple of chains in the stash. I do have a SIDIS that would work but not sure if it is long enough. Should be.
Two item missing is a step-down ferrule and a wound cable housing like on the Bott and Colnago. I only had two of the latter and don't know i I have another step down or not. I think the last one went on the De Rosa.
P1030670 on Flickr
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11-05-22, 08:51 AM
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I keep thinking you live in Portland. I was going to let you pick from my mini-pile of chain stay wire-wrap cable houses and ferrules until you found the right mix.
I wonder if your FD was replaced at some point. I noticed your rear has 72 stamped on it. The front has the safely lip some stupid nanny safety council made as a rule.
That lip is to protect us from the FD cage entering our fleshy legs in case of an accident . . . . . . . . . .completely ignoring there are sharp teeth on the chainring mere mm away.
Not a critique. I have the same mismatched set on my DeRosa. Just an observation in case you were going for that 100% period vibe.
I wonder if your FD was replaced at some point. I noticed your rear has 72 stamped on it. The front has the safely lip some stupid nanny safety council made as a rule.
That lip is to protect us from the FD cage entering our fleshy legs in case of an accident . . . . . . . . . .completely ignoring there are sharp teeth on the chainring mere mm away.
Not a critique. I have the same mismatched set on my DeRosa. Just an observation in case you were going for that 100% period vibe.
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I might have one in the junk drawer at home. I think I ignored it because the spring was rusty. I don't care if my FD is a 70 or a 78, happy to trade. Heck, keep your spring, swap em.
I'll know after the state championship that's happening today.
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I'll know after the state championship that's happening today.
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I might have a Pat 71 RD if you are interested in swapping. Condition not perfect but would probably look about right on what you’re building.
FD looks right to me for a ‘71.
FD looks right to me for a ‘71.
11-06-22, 12:39 PM
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@satbuilder - The RD I am cleaning up at the moment is a Pat 71. Thanks for the offer.
Took 1.5" of housing off both cables sets.
The Huret housing clamps arrived yesterday and are mounted after adjusting the housing length
FD was cleaned up, did I mention that? I am working on another one that has a broken inner adjustment screw that is frozen. Trying to figure out how to break it free. Clamp is otherwise good. I need enough good parts to build another one for the Frejus.
Took 1.5" of housing off both cables sets.
The Huret housing clamps arrived yesterday and are mounted after adjusting the housing length
FD was cleaned up, did I mention that? I am working on another one that has a broken inner adjustment screw that is frozen. Trying to figure out how to break it free. Clamp is otherwise good. I need enough good parts to build another one for the Frejus.
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SJX426 what decals will go on this? Did you get water slides made by Gus Salmon? I really like as it is coming together.
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Another good option to match the deeper red decals
Yeah, that red cable housing is hard to match. I have a whole roll of it out in the garage, but it's most likely a similar shade. I can send you some free of charge if you want.
On the Frejus, I opted for some of that vintage checkered stuff(link below), and the color match was pretty good for the bar wrap and the name on the decals. It's nice stuff, expensive, and won't accept the larger diameter Campagnolo cables from that era.
Another option could be a Celeste cable housing. I had some Modolo cable housing that is about the same color as original Camapgnolo stuff, that's what I used on my Bianchi. It looks pretty good, and didn't break the bank like original Campagnolo cable housing would have.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/yok...sing#attr=3370
On the Frejus, I opted for some of that vintage checkered stuff(link below), and the color match was pretty good for the bar wrap and the name on the decals. It's nice stuff, expensive, and won't accept the larger diameter Campagnolo cables from that era.
Another option could be a Celeste cable housing. I had some Modolo cable housing that is about the same color as original Camapgnolo stuff, that's what I used on my Bianchi. It looks pretty good, and didn't break the bank like original Campagnolo cable housing would have.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/yok...sing#attr=3370
https://simworks.myshopify.com/produ...40797361438894
11-07-22, 06:08 AM
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@satbuilder and @sactown - thanks for those links. Both are a little spendy. I do have some very old grey Campagnolo housing. It is much more flexible than newer housing
hanks to Satbuilder for the housing. We will give it try and assess once the decals go on.
Cyclomondo is the source of the decals that were provided as part of the transaction, post #20, vinyl. I have some from Gus that he made for my Burley Duet. It still needs paint!
hanks to Satbuilder for the housing. We will give it try and assess once the decals go on.
Cyclomondo is the source of the decals that were provided as part of the transaction, post #20, vinyl. I have some from Gus that he made for my Burley Duet. It still needs paint!
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https://lecycleur.com/campagnolo/a-c...t-derailleurs/
I'm imaging the scenario, its 1979 and a pin on a chain catches the derailleur one too many times and cuts through it. You stop by the LBS and buy what you can, but the shop keeper says, "in 50+ years, people will point out this is all wrong, but here you go....young whippersnapper"
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The bike was nearly ready for the next step of installing a chain and maybe wrapping the bars.
I just could not get the rear triangle offset out of my mind. I do what this thing to track straight and get to a point where I can ride no hands without skewing my body in the process.
Took everything off but the most fragile parts, the DT cable guide and the DT shifters. I also left the fork on because it did not get in the way of my efforts. It is suppose to have close to 70 loose balls in the head set!
I have a Racord Freewheel rear hub I mounted in the rear DOs. I then used a couple of 4x4 to support the seat lug and BB shell, using another to support the HT.
Using a method explained by Doug Fattic, a measurement between the DOs using a 4' level and digital calipers was done to verify the offset. I zeroed one side measurement to find the difference. I don't trust doing math in my head!
I tried to support the HT with one hand and pushing down on the rear DO . The result was only .5mm displacement. The force was from bouncing on the DO. Did that a couple of times to get to that point.
Bouncing was risky because you don't control the point past elasticity. I was afraid I might go too far and the shock might cause joint separation somewhere, likely the seat stays.
Took a break and decided I could control the force if I stood on the HT and slid my other foot toward the DO until I reached it and then shifted my weight from the HT to the rear DO. The second time was the charm with the right hand on the ttt and the left pulling up on the ST near the seat lug, Didn't want to bend the main tubes. They are still straight after checking.
The difference now is only .35mm. Close enough
I also received Newbaum HB tape.
I just could not get the rear triangle offset out of my mind. I do what this thing to track straight and get to a point where I can ride no hands without skewing my body in the process.
Took everything off but the most fragile parts, the DT cable guide and the DT shifters. I also left the fork on because it did not get in the way of my efforts. It is suppose to have close to 70 loose balls in the head set!
I have a Racord Freewheel rear hub I mounted in the rear DOs. I then used a couple of 4x4 to support the seat lug and BB shell, using another to support the HT.
Using a method explained by Doug Fattic, a measurement between the DOs using a 4' level and digital calipers was done to verify the offset. I zeroed one side measurement to find the difference. I don't trust doing math in my head!
I tried to support the HT with one hand and pushing down on the rear DO . The result was only .5mm displacement. The force was from bouncing on the DO. Did that a couple of times to get to that point.
Bouncing was risky because you don't control the point past elasticity. I was afraid I might go too far and the shock might cause joint separation somewhere, likely the seat stays.
Took a break and decided I could control the force if I stood on the HT and slid my other foot toward the DO until I reached it and then shifted my weight from the HT to the rear DO. The second time was the charm with the right hand on the ttt and the left pulling up on the ST near the seat lug, Didn't want to bend the main tubes. They are still straight after checking.
The difference now is only .35mm. Close enough
I also received Newbaum HB tape.
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See that black accent on the fork crown?
I am using 1' painters tape to mark the placement of the decals. I decided to use the upper edge of the cutout as a reference and place the decal the width of the tape down. The tape wasn't straight so I pulled it off and found paint stuck on the tape!
This is what was undernieth.
There are pictures of other bikes of this time period with the same blue. So I checked the dimples in the chain stays.
I guess blue housing and HB tape is another option.
I am using 1' painters tape to mark the placement of the decals. I decided to use the upper edge of the cutout as a reference and place the decal the width of the tape down. The tape wasn't straight so I pulled it off and found paint stuck on the tape!
This is what was undernieth.
There are pictures of other bikes of this time period with the same blue. So I checked the dimples in the chain stays.
I guess blue housing and HB tape is another option.
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Cleaned up the frame as seen above and started the decal application.
The hard part, besides locating the decals, is pealing the paper back off and leaving the letters on the overlay. Some of the decals didn't have the overlay, Maide in Italy and the Head "badge".
71BianchiDecalAppHT on Flickr
This may have been a bit high but who really cares?
71BianchiDecalMadeInItaly on Flickr
The overlay is very stiff and did not wrap around the curve of the tubes so I used painters tape to hold it in place while the wet solution drys.
71BianchiDecalAppFork on Flickr
71BianchiDecalAppSTDT on Flickr
The other side of the DT and ST decals will be done when these are dry.
Fortunately, there weren't too many nicks under where the decals were placed. I would surmise the originals were either removed early in the bikes life or they fell off. Don't know how good the originals were comparted to Pinarellos.
I ordered a spiral cable housing for the RD with ferrules which showed up this weekend.
Next steps are to finish the decals, double check the spokes on the wheels, replace the front axle with the better cones, glue the tires on the rims, apply Renaissance wax, then reassemble.
The hard part, besides locating the decals, is pealing the paper back off and leaving the letters on the overlay. Some of the decals didn't have the overlay, Maide in Italy and the Head "badge".
71BianchiDecalAppHT on FlickrThis may have been a bit high but who really cares?
71BianchiDecalMadeInItaly on FlickrThe overlay is very stiff and did not wrap around the curve of the tubes so I used painters tape to hold it in place while the wet solution drys.
71BianchiDecalAppFork on Flickr71BianchiDecalAppSTDT on FlickrThe other side of the DT and ST decals will be done when these are dry.
Fortunately, there weren't too many nicks under where the decals were placed. I would surmise the originals were either removed early in the bikes life or they fell off. Don't know how good the originals were comparted to Pinarellos.
I ordered a spiral cable housing for the RD with ferrules which showed up this weekend.
Next steps are to finish the decals, double check the spokes on the wheels, replace the front axle with the better cones, glue the tires on the rims, apply Renaissance wax, then reassemble.
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Looking good! Even with the blue fill in the chain stays and fork crown area , it sure looks great with the red.
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Still need to glue the tires, add a chain, and wrap the bars..
I am thinking of using an 8 speed chain. I have several. If they aren't long enough, the SIDI chain will be used or cut into the 1972 stock of junk chain!
Here is how it sits tonight.
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I am thinking of using an 8 speed chain. I have several. If they aren't long enough, the SIDI chain will be used or cut into the 1972 stock of junk chain!
Here is how it sits tonight.
PXL_20221115_232718772 on Flickr
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Only one thing left, glue the tires.
71BianchiDone1 on Flickr
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The only chain I could find in the stash is a Sach 9 speed. I didn't want to use to old stock. An alternative solution to the binder bolt is being pursued but has not been resolved.
It is almost ridable!
71BianchiDone1 on Flickr71BianchiDone3 on Flickr71BianchiDone6 on Flickr71BianchiDone10 on Flickr71BianchiDone7 on Flickr71BianchiDone9 on FlickrThe only chain I could find in the stash is a Sach 9 speed. I didn't want to use to old stock. An alternative solution to the binder bolt is being pursued but has not been resolved.
It is almost ridable!
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