Raleigh "R" Cotter Pin Nut - where can I find them?
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Raleigh "R" Cotter Pin Nut - where can I find them?
I'm restoring a 1974 Lady Sports for my wife and I have everything I need..... EXCEPT when I went to douse the cotter pins on the crank arms with penetrating oil in preperation for removing them this weekend I found that I was missing the Raleigh R nut on one of the pins. I have looked online and can't find them anywhere, and I understand they are a 26tpi thread that is pretty much impossible to find.
Has anyone had any luck finding these anywhere? I would like to keep as much original as possible, but if I have to order new cotter pins that is not the end of the world.....
Thanks!
Has anyone had any luck finding these anywhere? I would like to keep as much original as possible, but if I have to order new cotter pins that is not the end of the world.....
Thanks!
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If you have to order new pins, I get them here: https://bikesmithdesign.com/CotterPress/cotters.html
Hope you can find a matching one, though.
Hope you can find a matching one, though.
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I'm restoring a 1974 Lady Sports for my wife and I have everything I need..... EXCEPT when I went to douse the cotter pins on the crank arms with penetrating oil in preperation for removing them this weekend I found that I was missing the Raleigh R nut on one of the pins. I have looked online and can't find them anywhere, and I understand they are a 26tpi thread that is pretty much impossible to find.
Has anyone had any luck finding these anywhere? I would like to keep as much original as possible, but if I have to order new cotter pins that is not the end of the world.....
Thanks!
Has anyone had any luck finding these anywhere? I would like to keep as much original as possible, but if I have to order new cotter pins that is not the end of the world.....
Thanks!
where I work a shift as mechanic tomorrow.
I'll check and let you know what I find, but
honestly speaking, I'm not doing you any favors
enabling your OCD.
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26 tpi cotters can be bought here: https://harmonywaterrestoration.com/cotterPin_pg.html
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If you have to order new pins, I get them here: https://bikesmithdesign.com/CotterPress/cotters.html
Hope you can find a matching one, though.
Hope you can find a matching one, though.
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Ha! I find that the older I get the more OCD I get! I appreciate you checking and enabling my OCD!!!!
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Wow, 35 bucks for a set of cotters and nuts - crazy. I understand the desire to keep things original; however it is not uncommon for Sports to have replacement cotters with generic nuts so you would not be that far from original. I think that I may have a couple of R-nuts that I may be tempted to trade for other Sports stuff.
26 tpi cotters can be bought here: https://harmonywaterrestoration.com/cotterPin_pg.html
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26 tpi cotters can be bought here: https://harmonywaterrestoration.com/cotterPin_pg.html
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Eh, whatever. That's like those gun nuts who flip anytime someone calls a magazine a "clip." Yes, it's not the right term. No, it doesn't really matter.
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Stupid stupid stupid frickin cotters!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I have spent the ENTIRE day hammering, drilling, torching, cussing, hammering some more, drilled some more, torched some more. Sawed, broken 4 bits, dulled 5 bits, gone through who knows how much cutting oil, and the STUPID COTTER IS STILL FROZEN SOLID!!!
The first cotter almost fell out with the lightest tap and I thought "this will be easy" - BOY was I wrong! The other one is frozen hard and I am starting to think I will never get it out. Finally gave up for the day and am going to buy some new high-speed drill bits tomorrow to try again.
So based on the results of today I won't need that R nut anymore, as the frozen cotter is basically destroyed.
The first cotter almost fell out with the lightest tap and I thought "this will be easy" - BOY was I wrong! The other one is frozen hard and I am starting to think I will never get it out. Finally gave up for the day and am going to buy some new high-speed drill bits tomorrow to try again.
So based on the results of today I won't need that R nut anymore, as the frozen cotter is basically destroyed.
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That's why the BikeSmith cotter press is worth its weight in gold. Be sure to order one with the new cotters and save yourself endless grief.
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Welcome to the club. I have found that my bench vise is the most effective tool. Find a socket that fits over the head of the cotter (away from the threaded part). Do what you can to arrange to clamp cotter and socket in the jaws and then tighten. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mybfNsm1XwM
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I checked and found nothing, but it looks like it matters not.
There are a number of tricks to dealing with cotters, the most
essential one being not to hammer them. But you know that now.
They can be pressed in and out with a purpose built tool,
like that Bikesmith one, or with a bench vise or even a smal
drill press vise, using the appropriately sized socket to provide
a negative space for the head end to slide into as it breaks free.
Liberal use of Kroil or PB Blaster also usually helps.
Once you've started drilling, it's usually easiest to drill
out the whole end until you're just below the crank arm
lip, then use a drift of the appropriate size to punch it
out.........at least that usually works for me.
Vincit omnia veritas.
There are a number of tricks to dealing with cotters, the most
essential one being not to hammer them. But you know that now.
They can be pressed in and out with a purpose built tool,
like that Bikesmith one, or with a bench vise or even a smal
drill press vise, using the appropriately sized socket to provide
a negative space for the head end to slide into as it breaks free.
Liberal use of Kroil or PB Blaster also usually helps.
Once you've started drilling, it's usually easiest to drill
out the whole end until you're just below the crank arm
lip, then use a drift of the appropriate size to punch it
out.........at least that usually works for me.
Vincit omnia veritas.
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If you don't want to pay up for the original "R" nuts, you can sometimes buy reproduction "R" decals from a guy on UK eBay, stick them on nuts of your choice, and cover them with clear urethane. It was a while ago when I did that; can't seem to find the seller, now. But in any case, it looks pretty good.
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I have some R nuts for cotters. Who wants 'em? I'd rather have useable cotters....
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FINALLY the blasted thing is out! Took a LOT of drilling and once we got all the way through had to go back in with a little bit bigger drill bit, then hit it with the torch and the punch finally drove it out. That was one tough little bugger!!
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
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FINALLY the blasted thing is out! Took a LOT of drilling and once we got all the way through had to go back in with a little bit bigger drill bit, then hit it with the torch and the punch finally drove it out. That was one tough little bugger!!
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
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Well I have spent the ENTIRE day hammering, drilling, torching, cussing, hammering some more, drilled some more, torched some more. Sawed, broken 4 bits, dulled 5 bits, gone through who knows how much cutting oil, and the STUPID COTTER IS STILL FROZEN SOLID!!!
The first cotter almost fell out with the lightest tap and I thought "this will be easy" - BOY was I wrong! The other one is frozen hard and I am starting to think I will never get it out. Finally gave up for the day and am going to buy some new high-speed drill bits tomorrow to try again.
So based on the results of today I won't need that R nut anymore, as the frozen cotter is basically destroyed.
The first cotter almost fell out with the lightest tap and I thought "this will be easy" - BOY was I wrong! The other one is frozen hard and I am starting to think I will never get it out. Finally gave up for the day and am going to buy some new high-speed drill bits tomorrow to try again.
So based on the results of today I won't need that R nut anymore, as the frozen cotter is basically destroyed.
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FINALLY the blasted thing is out! Took a LOT of drilling and once we got all the way through had to go back in with a little bit bigger drill bit, then hit it with the torch and the punch finally drove it out. That was one tough little bugger!!
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
I will either invest in a press or look into making my own with my bench vise, but as of right now I don't plan on picking up any more bikes to fix up that have cottered cranks, but time will tell I guess!!
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
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Wow ! I'm glad I casually glanced at this thread . Never dealt much with cotters before now , but I picked up an early 70's Raleigh Grand Prix at a metals recycler yesterday . Now I have an idea as to how to get the cotters out . I do have an old drill press mech I'll customize for this .
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Wow ! I'm glad I casually glanced at this thread . Never dealt much with cotters before now , but I picked up an early 70's Raleigh Grand Prix at a metals recycler yesterday . Now I have an idea as to how to get the cotters out . I do have an old drill press mech I'll customize for this .
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I've got a set of "R" nuts I can let go for $15 shipped if anyone is interested. Lubed and abused my cotters getting them out so I'll be replacing w/ bikesmithdesigns cotters (Can't use R nuts). Lesson learned; do research before using a hammer on a late 60's bike.