How do you get enough protein?
10-19-20, 04:51 AM
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A. I'm 59 years old, there's a natural tendency towards muscle loss as we age.
B. I ride more than 200 miles a week for much of the year. Most of that riding is, as you say, hard.
C. If I ate protein at "normal" RDA levels doing that at my age, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to sustain that level of riding over those kind of distances as I would likely lose muscle mass doing so.
D. I'm quite sure you know absolutely nothing about that kind of riding.
B. I ride more than 200 miles a week for much of the year. Most of that riding is, as you say, hard.
C. If I ate protein at "normal" RDA levels doing that at my age, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to sustain that level of riding over those kind of distances as I would likely lose muscle mass doing so.
D. I'm quite sure you know absolutely nothing about that kind of riding.
I honestly cannot understand the opposition to whey because it is just a food product that is far cheaper than muscle meat and doesn’t contain any saturated fat. It is also the most bio available source of protein you can consume.
At some point they will see as they get older how things change. But that said I can dead lift close to 300lbs with a body weight of 165lbs and knock off 100 push ups and 50 pull ups which most of these youngsters couldn’t imagine doing. I also have a resting heartbeat of around 50.Its better just to ridicule rather than learn.
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You are able to find the time to ride 200 miles per week.
That’s very cool and makes you special.
I mix my limited off time with riding and playing hockey. I am 55 and ran hard for 2.5 hours yesterday playing street hockey with mostly 30 year olds.
I eat a normal amount of proteins, do not lose muscle mass, and am pretty sure you know nothing about that.
That’s very cool and makes you special.
I mix my limited off time with riding and playing hockey. I am 55 and ran hard for 2.5 hours yesterday playing street hockey with mostly 30 year olds.
I eat a normal amount of proteins, do not lose muscle mass, and am pretty sure you know nothing about that.
Did I tell you what your protein needs should be? No.
Did you tell everyone on this thread what their protein needs should be? Yes.
Good for you for being active, but nothing you're doing has anything to do with regular endurance riding. You made a blanket statement based on a completely wrong premise, and as usual, you just assumed that anyone who has needs different than yours is just plain wrong.
Nothing new, just your usual trolling MO.
10-19-20, 05:12 AM
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Lion, I think the naysayers are younger guys. I am a couple years younger than you but I maintain a rigorous schedule of exercise, now all cycling because gym classes in NYC are still prohibited. In 2019 I completed 500 classes in weights, athletic conditioning and cross fit. Before the lock down I was on a pace to break that. Normal recommendations are for normally active people. They have not experienced normal aging and the loss of muscle so they don’t understand. Any Dr. with a brain will suggest to a patient to supplement either whey or a plant-based powdered protein.
I honestly cannot understand the opposition to whey because it is just a food product that is far cheaper than muscle meat and doesn’t contain any saturated fat. It is also the most bio available source of protein you can consume.
At some point they will see as they get older how things change. But that said I can dead lift close to 300lbs with a body weight of 165lbs and knock off 100 push ups and 50 pull ups which most of these youngsters couldn’t imagine doing. I also have a resting heartbeat of around 50.Its better just to ridicule rather than learn.
I honestly cannot understand the opposition to whey because it is just a food product that is far cheaper than muscle meat and doesn’t contain any saturated fat. It is also the most bio available source of protein you can consume.
At some point they will see as they get older how things change. But that said I can dead lift close to 300lbs with a body weight of 165lbs and knock off 100 push ups and 50 pull ups which most of these youngsters couldn’t imagine doing. I also have a resting heartbeat of around 50.Its better just to ridicule rather than learn.
I don't supplement, I just eat a lot of high protein foods. Everything I've ever read suggests that endurance and weight training both require enhanced protein intake, I just don't think it's clear that how you get to that level matters.
I'm getting over a bout of pneumonia right now, so my speed is way off, but normally I'm flying past people half my age on a regular basis.
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Pretty sure that goes well beyond what most people would call, "recreational."
That's essentially riding all three Grands Tours in a season..... seems to stretch the definition .... (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recreation) recreation :
rec·re·a·tion | \ ˌre-krē-ˈā-shən \
refreshment of strength and spirits after work
Seems to me you're doing a lot of work and would need a lot of refreshment of strength and spirits after that much "recreational" riding.
In any case, I'd say you've earned your extra ration of amino acid compounds.
That's essentially riding all three Grands Tours in a season..... seems to stretch the definition .... (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recreation) recreation :
rec·re·a·tion | \ ˌre-krē-ˈā-shən \
refreshment of strength and spirits after work
Seems to me you're doing a lot of work and would need a lot of refreshment of strength and spirits after that much "recreational" riding.
In any case, I'd say you've earned your extra ration of amino acid compounds.
Look at the second definition on your link. It fits. People can be very serious about their "hobbies."
"Recreational" really refers to the motivation, not the amount of an activity. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/recreational
Yes, I know I'm not typical, but I happen to know from other posts that many of the people on this thread engage in atypical riding that would likely require a higher need for protein than "normal" .
10-19-20, 05:27 AM
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Did I tell you what your protein needs should be? No.
Did you tell everyone on this thread what their protein needs should be? Yes.
Good for you for being active, but nothing you're doing has anything to do with regular endurance riding. You made a blanket statement based on a completely wrong premise, and as usual, you just assumed that anyone who has needs different than yours is just plain wrong.
Nothing new, just your usual trolling MO.
Did you tell everyone on this thread what their protein needs should be? Yes.
Good for you for being active, but nothing you're doing has anything to do with regular endurance riding. You made a blanket statement based on a completely wrong premise, and as usual, you just assumed that anyone who has needs different than yours is just plain wrong.
Nothing new, just your usual trolling MO.
But you are offbase on this one. I simply questioned how much ‘endurance’ is involved in most of the riding done by BF posters. I may be wrong but I believe the average age on the forum is well into the 50’s and I doubt many of them are testing the limits of their endurance and putting themselves in peril of not getting enough proteins
10-19-20, 06:12 AM
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@livedarklions : You of all people should know better than to take me too seriously.
I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
Lately I have not been able to do 200 miles a month .... though on the other hand, gyms have reopened and I started working out regularly. But you know how it is ... health, schedules, stress, and the occasional bicycle wreck keep me from dong the amount of exercise I wish I were doing.
Pretty impressive stats you are racking up there.
I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
Lately I have not been able to do 200 miles a month .... though on the other hand, gyms have reopened and I started working out regularly. But you know how it is ... health, schedules, stress, and the occasional bicycle wreck keep me from dong the amount of exercise I wish I were doing.
Pretty impressive stats you are racking up there.
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@livedarklions : You of all people should know better than to take me too seriously.
I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
Lately I have not been able to do 200 miles a month .... though on the other hand, gyms have reopened and I started working out regularly. But you know how it is ... health, schedules, stress, and the occasional bicycle wreck keep me from dong the amount of exercise I wish I were doing.
Pretty impressive stats you are racking up there.
I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
Lately I have not been able to do 200 miles a month .... though on the other hand, gyms have reopened and I started working out regularly. But you know how it is ... health, schedules, stress, and the occasional bicycle wreck keep me from dong the amount of exercise I wish I were doing.
Pretty impressive stats you are racking up there.
I didn't take your comments as anything but friendly, I was just quibbling with your linguistic quibble. If I came across as mad, I apologize for the mistaken impression. To me, it's kind of fun to look at the different ways we're interpreting words like "recreational".
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You're new paraphrase of yourself:
And what you actually said:
So "I highly doubt anyone" went to "I doubt many of them". Nice backpedal.
The difference between you and me is that I give other people credit for knowing what kind of riding they're doing and what their protein needs are. I also know that no one cares about my estimates of either of those things.
As far as agreeing with me most of the time, guess I missed that what with all of your habitual sarcastic dismissals.
It may come as a surprise to you, but I usually agree with what you post.
But you are offbase on this one. I simply questioned how much ‘endurance’ is involved in most of the riding done by BF posters. I may be wrong but I believe the average age on the forum is well into the 50’s and I doubt many of them are testing the limits of their endurance and putting themselves in peril of not getting enough proteins
But you are offbase on this one. I simply questioned how much ‘endurance’ is involved in most of the riding done by BF posters. I may be wrong but I believe the average age on the forum is well into the 50’s and I doubt many of them are testing the limits of their endurance and putting themselves in peril of not getting enough proteins
The difference between you and me is that I give other people credit for knowing what kind of riding they're doing and what their protein needs are. I also know that no one cares about my estimates of either of those things.
As far as agreeing with me most of the time, guess I missed that what with all of your habitual sarcastic dismissals.
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You're new paraphrase of yourself:
And what you actually said:
So "I highly doubt anyone" went to "I doubt many of them". Nice backpedal.
The difference between you and me is that I give other people credit for knowing what kind of riding they're doing and what their protein needs are. I also know that no one cares about my estimates of either of those things.
As far as agreeing with me most of the time, guess I missed that what with all of your habitual sarcastic dismissals.
And what you actually said:
So "I highly doubt anyone" went to "I doubt many of them". Nice backpedal.
The difference between you and me is that I give other people credit for knowing what kind of riding they're doing and what their protein needs are. I also know that no one cares about my estimates of either of those things.
As far as agreeing with me most of the time, guess I missed that what with all of your habitual sarcastic dismissals.
I used the term highly doubt and then the term doubt and I am back pedaling?
That’s it? That’s your big reveal?
Pretty sad, but as you like to stalk my posts I guess it’s to be expected lol.
You keep feeding your body those extra proteins because you are such an endurance riding beast lol
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Wow.
I used the term highly doubt and then the term doubt and I am back pedaling?
That’s it? That’s your big reveal?
Pretty sad, but as you like to stalk my posts I guess it’s to be expected lol.
You keep feeding your body those extra proteins because you are such an endurance riding beast lol
I used the term highly doubt and then the term doubt and I am back pedaling?
That’s it? That’s your big reveal?
Pretty sad, but as you like to stalk my posts I guess it’s to be expected lol.
You keep feeding your body those extra proteins because you are such an endurance riding beast lol
Oh, and the shift from "anyone" to "many" is meaningless? It was an absolute backpedal. Basically, you went from "no one" to "not most". That's a big difference, cute you think you can just paint that over.
I don't stalk your posts, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
And thanks for proving my point about your habitual sarcastic dismissal. Go ahead and do another of your stupid thumbs up comments at me, I'm not bothering to read you after this point anyway.
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@livedarklions : You of all people should know better than to take me too seriously.
I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
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I actually studied sports nutrition a tiny bit, and a smaller bit about geriatric nutrition and exercise, and most of us who have, or have simply listened to their on bodies, or paid a little attention, have all come to the same or similar conclusions about nutrition and aging. Still, we are all different and have to adapt whatever is recommended to our own physiologies.
And then .... this is BF. people pontificate, cross-talk, miss points, make irrelevant points .... and parse each others' posts with hypersensitivity, looking for the slightest chance to demean someone else or at least their posts.
it is funny in a pathetic way, and pathetic in an unfunny way when I fall into it.
But yeah .... I actually pick and choose definitions from a few different dictionaries to find the ones I can best warp and distort to support my points, which I do with total glee because it is only BF and none of this matters. it is hard to take most posters here seriously, and I try to go with that flow and not be serious myself.
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Disagreeing is fine and often fun and discussing it often enlightening. Unfortunately, a lot of people deal with it by going right to insult and accusation.
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A good friend of mine and his brother were biking many years ago from Canada to Mexico, mostly down Hwy 101. In the middle of California somewhere, they were biking along and saw a sage grouse get hit by a truck ahead of them. There was a hawk circling above. While one scared off the hawk, the other plucked and cleaned the grouse. It was delicious. He attributes it to protein starvation to this very day, but I think it was just to have a great story.
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Scientific or not, "omnivore" is probably the best description of my diet. I eat absurd quantities of vegetables, especially cruciform.
And I remembered another vilification of plant-based protein, the "paleo" kibosh on legumes.
My impression is that it's actually not hard to get enough protein as a vegan unless you pay heed to all of these faddish lists of foods to avoid. That seem about right?
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That's true of any type of posting on any social media. If we didn't like attention, we just wouldn't post.
You like to post a lot of jokes, that's obviously a form of attention grabbing. You do happen to be good at it, so you get a lot of attention. Nothing wrong with that.
10-19-20, 12:24 PM
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Scientific or not, "omnivore" is probably the best description of my diet. I eat absurd quantities of vegetables, especially cruciform.
10-19-20, 12:28 PM
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Protein is overrated, most people get way too much protein. It's a sales gimmick, protein, protein-protein. Take a look at the book Proteineholic by Garth Davis and Howard Jacobson.
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I don't care what you say, the next time I'm getting Mexican food, I will not be ordering the omni asada.
Scientific or not, "omnivore" is probably the best description of my diet. I eat absurd quantities of vegetables, especially cruciform.
And I remembered another vilification of plant-based protein, the "paleo" kibosh on legumes.
My impression is that it's actually not hard to get enough protein as a vegan unless you pay heed to all of these faddish lists of foods to avoid. That seem about right?
Scientific or not, "omnivore" is probably the best description of my diet. I eat absurd quantities of vegetables, especially cruciform.
And I remembered another vilification of plant-based protein, the "paleo" kibosh on legumes.
My impression is that it's actually not hard to get enough protein as a vegan unless you pay heed to all of these faddish lists of foods to avoid. That seem about right?
It's not hard to get protein, period. Literally you have to actually actively avoid it and work really hard at it. Avoid harming others is the only thing one needs to really adhere to and you are golden : )
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Put em on pumpernickel or dark rye bread, and you will be close to heaven!
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Oh, and the shift from "anyone" to "many" is meaningless? It was an absolute backpedal. Basically, you went from "no one" to "not most". That's a big difference, cute you think you can just paint that over.
I don't stalk your posts, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
And thanks for proving my point about your habitual sarcastic dismissal. Go ahead and do another of your stupid thumbs up comments at me, I'm not bothering to read you after this point anyway.
I don't stalk your posts, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
And thanks for proving my point about your habitual sarcastic dismissal. Go ahead and do another of your stupid thumbs up comments at me, I'm not bothering to read you after this point anyway.
Do you disagree with me that the the overwhelming majority of BF posters are not endurance athletes in any way, shape, or form?
Or were you not perceptive enough to guess that that was my position from the start?
You have definitely moved up the list to become my number one random post stalker btw
It’s kind of flattering considering the fact that you are such an impressive endurance cyclist yourself.