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Old 03-24-18, 11:21 PM
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1 why are we assuming that the IOC WILL kill new events?

2 The Kilo died when UCI stopped offering it at world cups in leiu of the new shiny Omnnium that they were promoting.

3 The Kilo and IP are currently not Olympic events yet we saw new World Records broken over and over this year...despite the IOC not offering them in the Olympics. So, see? What the IOC thinks does not matter. What the UCI offers a jersey for matters!


What about my other points?
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I simply don’t think The Omnium is the crowd favorite spectacle that they thought it would be. Im also not sure if it pulled in the big name road pros that were expected to come. It’s a LOT of racing for 1 medal (3 TTs and 3 mass start races).

I wonder how many fans watch the entirety of every event.

If the pinacle event where medals are won or lost is the last event Points Race, then why not put all of that excitement into a single points race without 2 races and 3 time trials before it?
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My operatives at today's LAVRA event just informed me that the masters woman who is the current 60+ World Champion in match sprints may have just set a 65+ WR in the 200. 13.8 is the preliminary number. Freaky fast...
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Originally Posted by sarals
My operatives at today's LAVRA event just informed me that the masters woman who is the current 60+ World Champion in match sprints may have just set a 65+ WR in the 200. 13.8 is the preliminary number. Freaky fast...
That's awesome!

Also, if it's a World Record, it's also a US Record. I think the UCI requires drug testing be available for World Records. I don't think it's required for US Records (unless things have changed).
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Originally Posted by carleton
That's awesome!

Also, if it's a World Record, it's also a US Record. I think the UCI requires drug testing be available for World Records. I don't think it's required for US Records (unless things have changed).
The track is apparently fast today. My training partner went .6 faster in the 200 than she did at last LAVRA. Still, a record broken IS awesome! And it says I've got some work to do!
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Originally Posted by carleton
.............. It’s a LOT of racing for 1 medal (3 TTs and 3 mass start races).
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I agree. Incidentally the omnium in the last few years consists of four mass start events, Scratch, Tempo, Elimination, and Points. This made it harder for TT specialists to win in my opinion.

I preferred the way pursuit riders were seeded years ago. I just looked at the 1986 Worlds results; the amateur pursuit used a qualifier to identify the top 16 times. Those 16 riders then rode eighth, quarter, semi, and final races - this made for an interesting event.

There were 14 entries for the professional pursuit; the top four riders competed in semi and final rides. The distance for pros was 5,000m - a distance I would love to see reintroduced for pro and elite riders.

For info the top times in the sprint 200m were 10.118 (amateur men), 11.245 (women), and 10.578 (pro men).
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Originally Posted by carleton
The Omnium was the death knell to the specialist and wake up call to the all-arounder...all to gain fan appreciation.
Omnium sucks, simply said.
It's the track cycling pentathlon.. champion doesn't have to win any race, normal people do not understand some races, points, etc.

And we could have 5 different races in its place.
Maybe with less "plastic crashes"..

On the other hand, I can see why the Kilo isn't a "mass, TV, interesting event" - long and solo qualys, no crashes, no "last second" definitions on the line - not for the common spectator, only "us" racers capable of appreciate the effort, the split times, etc.
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Originally Posted by Clythio
On the other hand, I can see why the Kilo isn't a "mass, TV, interesting event" - long and solo qualys, no crashes, no "last second" definitions on the line - not for the common spectator, only "us" racers capable of appreciate the effort, the split times, etc.
Did you watch the recent WC's kilo? Fantastic racing entertainment. Bring it back to the Olympics.
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The Kilo is one of the few events that consistently sells out venues.
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The timed races like the kilo or individual pursuit are a conundrum - when it gets down to the medal ride offs the crowd really get into it (particularly if there is a local rider in contention) but everything up to that point the events drag on and you can feel the crowd losing interest. Sitting through well over an hour of kilo or pursuit heats does nothing to attract more fans to track cycling - Second worst excitement killer after medal ceremonies that drag on too long.

Some events do the heats behind closed doors, that seems to me to be the way forward.
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Originally Posted by zizou
The timed races like the kilo or individual pursuit are a conundrum - when it gets down to the medal ride offs the crowd really get into it (particularly if there is a local rider in contention) but everything up to that point the events drag on and you can feel the crowd losing interest. Sitting through well over an hour of kilo or pursuit heats does nothing to attract more fans to track cycling - Second worst excitement killer after medal ceremonies that drag on too long.

Some events do the heats behind closed doors, that seems to me to be the way forward.
I mean, that's kinda what happens now...except they allow fans to watch the qualifying if they want to. The fans can simply wait and show up for the scheduled finals if they wanted to, right?
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Originally Posted by sarals
My operatives at today's LAVRA event just informed me that the masters woman who is the current 60+ World Champion in match sprints may have just set a 65+ WR in the 200. 13.8 is the preliminary number. Freaky fast...
Turns out she rode a 13.6.... Freakier faster. I know her, she's an amazing athlete, and a super nice person. I'm really tickled for her!
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Originally Posted by sarals
Turns out she rode a 13.6.... Freakier faster. I know her, she's an amazing athlete, and a super nice person. I'm really tickled for her!
I am so happy for LAN. I wish I was there to see it, but I broke my wrist three weeks ago and didn't go to the track because not being able to compete would have bummed me out. I train with her; fast and nice!
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I am so happy for LAN. I wish I was there to see it, but I broke my wrist three weeks ago and didn't go to the track because not being able to compete would have bummed me out. I train with her; fast and nice!
Lan is great, isn't she? I wish I'd been there to see it, too - and race.

Hey, sorry to hear about your wrist! Hope you're back on the bike soon!
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Random strange question time!

I'm thinking of going short on my crankarms (like ~150) but I'd really like to continue using my SRM. I know SRM sells replacement arms, but only down to 165 except for the adjustable lab arms that aren't for racing use. Anyone ever seen someone make a custom set?
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Why so short?
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Why so short?
Positioning within the constraints mainly. Not sure if it makes sense, but even at 16x, the crankarm is a little too long at the top while being too short at the bottom. From an aerodynamics standpoint (at least in my own testing) pushing the greater troch to almost flat at TDC (which also seems to flatten the foot) is a good thing, in my case a very good thing. Unfortunately it seems to be pretty dependent on your leg proportions as to whether you cut off power by closing the hip that far. For me I can't seem to adapt to it, so going short should help me open up the tdc without bringing my saddle height out of range. Would still have to test it... even if it brought my power back up in line with my road position it might not be worth the aero hit I take but the hope would be more comfort and power with only a minor hit to CdA.

If you look at *most* higher caliber pro women TTer's you'll see that's a pretty common thing (and in general most top end women have much lower CdA than men... of course it also helps to be ~30+lbs lighter with *generally* narrower shoulders and *usually* something to naturally fill in the gap between the chin/stomach) at their tdc.
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ROTOR ALDHU cranks are available in 150mm, 155mm, 160mm, 165mm, 170mm, 172.5mm, and 175mm.

https://rotorbike.com/catalog/default...ck/cranks.html

I'm not sure if they are compatible with the SRM ROTOR crank spider or not. Maybe call SRM in Colorado Springs? They are pretty friendly. I believe that ROTOR is also in Colorado Springs.

I've seen first hand some ROTOR 3D + Power2Max cranks that were smaller than 165mm. I just can't recall what length they were exactly.

As far as SRM Dura Ace crank arms in 150mm, that'd be a special order. They might do it. Worth an ask I guess.
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but then I'd have to use a ROTOR crank and my bike would creak every pedal revolution

I'll reach out to SRM, thanks guys. Might have to have something fabricated :/
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Morelock,

I am currently using a set of Rotor inpower 155 road cranks adapted to track BCD and have yet to have any creaking.

If you have any questions I'll try to answer.

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Hey @Nate2453

I am guessing my past experience with Rotor has as much to do with Cervelo's bb shells as it does with Rotor You could always hear the guys on S3's coming up behind you!

How did you adapt it to 144? That sounds interesting
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Rotor crank arms will not work with an SRM Track PM spider. You need the Rotor SRM spider.
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Originally Posted by Clythio
Omnium sucks, simply said.
It's the track cycling pentathlon.. champion doesn't have to win any race, normal people do not understand some races, points, etc.

And we could have 5 different races in its place.
Maybe with less "plastic crashes"..

On the other hand, I can see why the Kilo isn't a "mass, TV, interesting event" - long and solo qualys, no crashes, no "last second" definitions on the line - not for the common spectator, only "us" racers capable of appreciate the effort, the split times, etc.
popping in kind of late on this. I can see why it's not a particularly interesting televised event, either - but that has to do with the bad/budget television production of these events. i communicate data for a living, and i can think of a bunch of ways to display split data in an exciting way that gives commentators more to talk about, gives audience ways to contextualize performances against each other, and makes the whole event more exciting.

honestly, of all the time trials in the sport to watch, track cycling probably offers the most opportunity for interest - but broadcasts haven't really figured out how to tell the story of the event.

https://medium.com/@montesano/data-v...t-acd52d1eda79
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Do you use grips on aerobars (either tape or proper grips?)
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Do you use grips on aerobars (either tape or proper grips?)
Hockey tape over here.
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