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Old 01-19-20, 04:29 AM
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Mid School Semi-Vintage Zone

A few months ago I floated the idea of a mid school thread for road bikes, and was met with welcoming enthusiasm. The idea was for a thread where bikes which may be a bit too modern for the strict C&V crowd, but have a few years on them and might not fit in the current road forum, could find a home. I am an unrepentant child of the 90's road racing scene, and as such most of my grail bikes/favourite bikes are from the heyday of racing alloy and 90's steel, (and early carbon) and had the following ideas for the thread:

8-9-10 speed welcome, ergo power and STI all the way! More modern group sets welcome if the frame is appropriate.

Frames, alloy, steel, some carbon, I'm thinking 90's bikes, though to early 00's.

If you can, show us your silver components! This is more of a bugbear of mine, I'm tired of every new bike having black anodised stems, seat posts, hubs, derailleurs and would love. bit of proper mid school bling!

Anodised parts thoroughly encouraged!

I'm also a died in the wool roadie, but if you'd like to post MTB, city bikes, track bikes, I'd love to see them.

My internet authority barely extends past the end of my keyboard, so if you would like to post something interesting go nuts!

Hopefully I'm not treading on the toes of any other threads, or if something like this already exists, please point me in the right direction, I have some bikes to post!
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Since I've made a mess of posting photos before, I thought I'd get the ball rolling, especially since I've been stuck in a city covered with bushfire smoke in Aus for the past 7-8 weeks. Apologies for the slightly grubby garage photos, but we haven't been able to head outside without doing yourself damage for a while now.


It's hard to pick favourites but here we go, 1999 Avanti Monza rebuilt with 10spd Ultegra, and take off wheels

Comp Series Series, I point this out to everyone and no-one finds it as amusing as I do.

The black seat post and silver stem combo is annoying me, in case anyone was wondering.

Pump peg, and some sturdy looking welds.

This bike is pretty plain 7005 kinesis, it was a mid-range model for Avanti when they offered a full range of bikes. It's a sentimental bike for me, I've always owned at least one Avanti since I've been riding, and now that Scott has bought the company I'm not optimistic about their bikes being a quality standalone product in the future.
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One more before bed! For the record I think 7700 cranks are the prettiest cranks out there, I'm probably saying that because I don't own a polished 10 speed record crankset. My mind may change if and when I do.

1996 (I think?) Cannondale Caad3, chameleon paint in 56cm. This is my first grail bike, not only in that the bike rides really well for alloy, but my first proper road bike was this model, but a size too big and set up badly for me. I still loved the bike, and this one may have potentially come from a BF member, since I got it freighted from the US to Australia as a 40th birthday present.

I use 38cm bars, so the 140mm stem is something I can just get away with, however I have raised the stem about a centimetre and a half since I took this photo. It's a surprisingly nice, very light chromo stem, with a very short steerer and a very clean weld. It is ovalised, so not as flexy as it could be, and has been my favourite component that I've come across lately.
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Also lets hear it for 2 pass welds!
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Originally Posted by Minion1 View Post
A few months ago I floated the idea of a mid school thread for road bikes, and was met with welcoming enthusiasm. The idea was for a thread where bikes which may be a bit too modern for the strict C&V crowd, but have a few years on them and might not fit in the current road forum, could find a home. I am an unrepentant child of the 90's road racing scene, and as such most of my grail bikes/favourite bikes are from the heyday of racing alloy and 90's steel, (and early carbon) and had the following ideas for the thread:

8-9-10 speed welcome, ergo power and STI all the way! More modern group sets welcome if the frame is appropriate.
Hurrahhhhh!
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I have also suggested in many threads over a couple of years a sub-Forum for the 'tween' year bikes. I don't know the best name - i used '8-9-10speed Bikes'. i also suggested it be within the C&V Forum, since the majority of cyclists consider 10sp and earlier as Old School.

I upgraded all of my 'newer' bikes to Campy10, so the wheelsets are interchangeable.
2 steelies, 1 Ti and 1 carbon. Tallerico and Calfee were custom frames. 2pics of Calfee - shows threaded & current 1" threadless version.
Soooo much to discuss that shouldn't really be exactly C&V material.
edit: just checked my photos, had to laugh = that Spinergy wheelset makes the photo rounds. Resides on the Pini because 'it's better to have nice wheels on a down level frame than a nice frame with down level wheels'. And the color works. Tubulars now on the Tallerico + Calfee. Clinchers for the go-anywhere triple Ti Macalu (USA made). .











forgive saddle tilt, adjusted before riding - maybe that was the seatpost switch photo? Altho i used to ride on th rivet more.

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Finally! A chance to post my lightweight, go-fast road bike on C&V.



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When my steel frame Bianchi Forza got hit by a car, I was OK, but needed a bike in kind of a hurry with a charity ride coming up that I had already paid for. The Forza wasn't a great bike, but I had it dialed in, and enjoyed riding it, Shimano Exage, Biopace crank with indexed down tube shifter for the rear. I found this 2002 Specialized Allez, Sora drivetrain, aluminum frame, 9 speed triple for $399 as a closeout when Performance was leaving Specialized. At first I didn't like the aluminum's stiff ride, but loved the responsive sharp handling. An Easton carbon fork cured most of the road buzz, along with a Roubaix handle bar with zertz insert at the stem connection. It's 18 years now, and I've moved on to modern carbon, as well as several old steel bikes, but I still enjoy a spin on the Allez, though its mostly my bank and post office run bike these days.

I always liked the paint job, and the paint has held up well over the years. I have replaced the saddle with an Ergon, the front derailleur upgraded to Ultegra, new Claris shifters, and 105 brakes, besides the Easton fork, ITM stem, and Roubaix bars. Fun bike.

I always thought the Sugino crank was one of thd nicest looking modernish cranks.

I also ride this 2007 Specialized Roubaix Elite triple, my first carbon bike. Recently upgraded to Reynolds aluminum wheels and Brooks C17 saddle. We've done several centuries and big climbs together. I didn't like the handling at first, but the new wheels really tranformed the ride.

Same bike, a few years ago. I just like this picture from a Solvang century.


Near the top of Gibraltar Road.

Heading back down the hill,

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Lugged steel Cougar with Shimano 105 9-speed Flight Deck (sans chain)
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Flight Deck is cool

I really like “Flight Deck” and I have it installed on my Dura Ace 7700/7703 3x9 bike and it works well for the most part so long as I keep fresh batteries in it.

My other Flight Deck bike has Dura Ace 7800 2x10 group on it and after 2 years of fussing, I have yet to sort out the Flight Deck. It malfunctions in 2 ways: 1) it thinks it is always in the big chainring and 2) the menus auto scroll on their own, never settling on the screen I want when I want.

Several years ago when I googled, there were quite a few links on troubleshooting Shimano Flight Deck. When I check now, the troubleshooting articles don’t seem to be there any more.

I’m not quite ready to abandon Flight Deck but I’m getting close. I have peeled back my brake hoods, & removed the cover plate with the 2 little screws. I have swabbed the contacts with contact cleaner. I have checked to see if the little grey button mounted in the plate is functional & briefly played around with placing little index card shims behind the contacts to no avail.

No one in my bike club could care less about Flight Deck and my bike shop doesn’t have time for it either.

Could somebody here steer me to some proper Flight Deck troubleshooting?
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Hurrahhhhh!
+1


I have also suggested in many threads over a couple of years a sub-Forum for the 'tween' year bikes. I don't know the best name - i used '8-9-10speed Bikes'. i also suggested it be within the C&V Forum, since the majority of cyclists consider 10sp and earlier as Old School.

I upgraded all of my 'newer' bikes to Campy10, so the wheelsets are interchangeable.
2 steelies, 1 Ti and 1 carbon. Tallerico and Calfee were custom frames. 2pics of Calfee - shows threaded & current 1" threadless version.
Soooo much to discuss that shouldn't really be exactly C&V material.
edit: just checked my photos, had to laugh = that Spinergy wheelset makes the photo rounds. Resides on the Pini because 'it's better to have nice wheels on a down level frame than a nice frame with down level wheels'. And the color works. Tubulars now on the Tallerico + Calfee. Clinchers for the go-anywhere triple Ti Macalu (USA made). .








forgive saddle tilt, adjusted before riding - maybe that was the seatpost switch photo? Altho i used to ride on th rivet more.
Wow! Beautiful bikes, I have to admit a Pinarello from this era is on the grail list as well, but I might have tomato some additions. I think the Trek a few posts above this one is the prettiest bike of theirs I've seen.
I'd forgotten as well how dominant Selle Italia saddles were too, in my neck of the woods until Specialized became more of a presence in the market and Fizik launched their saddles.
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Finally! A chance to post my lightweight, go-fast road bike on C&V.



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I follow Rock Lobster on the Facebook, it's good to see he's still busy and still making some really nice frames!
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Originally Posted by Slightspeed View Post
When my steel frame Bianchi Forza got hit by a car, I was OK, but needed a bike in kind of a hurry with a charity ride coming up that I had already paid for. The Forza wasn't a great bike, but I had it dialed in, and enjoyed riding it, Shimano Exage, Biopace crank with indexed down tube shifter for the rear. I found this 2002 Specialized Allez aluminum frame, 9 speed triple for $399 as a closeout when Performance was leaving Specialized. At first I didn't like the aluminum's stiff ride, but loved the responsive sharp handling. An Easton carbon fork cured most of the road buzz, along with a Roubaix handle bar with zertz insert at the stem connection. It's 18 years now, and I've moved on to modern carbon, as well as several old steel bikes, but I still enjoy a spin on the Allez, though its mostly my bank and post office run bike these days.

I always liked the paint job, and the paint has held up well over the years. I have replaced the saddle with an Ergon, the front derailleur upgraded to Ultegra, new Claris shifters, and 105 brakes, besides the Easton fork, ITM stem, and Roubaix bars. Fun bike.

I always thought the Sugino crank was one of thd nicest looking modernish cranks.

I also ride this 2007 Specialized Roubaix Elite triple, my first carbon bike. Recently upgraded to Reynolds aluminum wheels and Brooks C17 saddle. We've done several centuries and big climbs together. I didn't like the handling at first, but the new wheels really tranformed the ride.

Same bike, a few years ago. I just like this picture from a Solvang century.


Near the top of Gibraltar Road.

Heading back down the hill,
That descent!

Love the racing triples as well, I think it may be another feature that dates me but I am very resistant to the current nonsense about 1x on road bikes, I'm a fan of triples for a lot of people. Too bad if Sram has been wedged into trying to reinvent the drivetrain by other companies owning all the patents to sensible technology...

I have worked in shops for a long time, and a lot of that time in Specialized dealers, those are great examples of those bikes. You also have a point about the Sugino cranks...
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I have to admit a Pinarello from this era is on the grail list as well, but I might have tomato some additions. .

A Pinarello from this era might be a Grail Bike, ........just not this Pinarello. Cadore model was entry level Italian roadie. But it is NOS with nary a scratch.


Actually, i should not minimize this frameset, with nice tubular wheels and VeloFlex Arenburg 25mms, the bike rides very well. 8.0lb frame + fork, size 60cm


as an aside, I really hate newer Veloce 10 speed. Campi, if you are listening = re-intro or license early 2000s 10 speed componentry, Please.

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I really like “Flight Deck” and I have it installed on my Dura Ace 7700/7703 3x9 bike and it works well for the most part so long as I keep fresh batteries in it.

My other Flight Deck bike has Dura Ace 7800 2x10 group on it and after 2 years of fussing, I have yet to sort out the Flight Deck. It malfunctions in 2 ways: 1) it thinks it is always in the big chainring and 2) the menus auto scroll on their own, never settling on the screen I want when I want.

Several years ago when I googled, there were quite a few links on troubleshooting Shimano Flight Deck. When I check now, the troubleshooting articles don’t seem to be there any more.

I’m not quite ready to abandon Flight Deck but I’m getting close. I have peeled back my brake hoods, & removed the cover plate with the 2 little screws. I have swabbed the contacts with contact cleaner. I have checked to see if the little grey button mounted in the plate is functional & briefly played around with placing little index card shims behind the contacts to no avail.

No one in my bike club could care less about Flight Deck and my bike shop doesn’t have time for it either.

Could somebody here steer me to some proper Flight Deck troubleshooting?
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This will be an awesome thread. My knowledge runs out on '90s frames in a lot of ways, though I have groupsets nailed down (and use them on older frames). As a 63-65cm frame rider, it seems like, apart from Cannondale (early CAADs yes!), everybody forgot tall people existed until the mid '00s or later, and then the tall production frames came back. I am a road bike guy through and through (ok, stellar traditional touring bikes, too), so I look forward to learning a bunch here, and hopefully getting proven wrong with regard to tall frame production. My Shimano 600 / Campagnolo Atlanta 1996 deep section wheelset waits....
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This is a beautiful bike. Since I've been lurking on this forum I've had a few prompts here and there to research Columbus and Cinelli, I have to admit I was pretty ignorant beforehand. The more I look at it the more I like it!
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This will be an awesome thread.
More than an awesome thread = We need a Sticky Thread for 'Tween' bikes. Not C&V, not new tech.

Hey Moderators - Give us some S-A-T-I-S-F-A-C-T-I-O-N = a Sticky with a clear title for those 8/9/10 Bikes.
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This is a beautiful bike. Since I've been lurking on this forum I've had a few prompts here and there to research Columbus and Cinelli, I have to admit I was pretty ignorant beforehand. The more I look at it the more I like it!
Cinelli Nuovo Supercorsa. Built from Ultra Foco tubing by Giovanni Losa. It is fillet brazed and lugged. My understanding is that less than 2 dozen were imported into North America.
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Here is a picture of my wife's 2003, Fondriest Carb Level 03 Monumental SAT. One of the prettiest bike I can ever remember seeing. Aluminum main triangle, and carbon seat and chain stays with a carbon fork. Quite the bike in its day. When we were taking a lunch break at the Sacramento Century, we came back to find a guy drooling over it and spouting all sorts of facts about the SAT process and Mauricio Fondriest himself!

Campagnolo drivetrain (9 speed w/Centaur triple), with some Shimano RSX brakes that came off of her Trek 1400 frame when she upgraded. as i looked for a decent picture of her bike, I noticed that all of them had my Pinarello photo bombing the scene!

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Cool thread!
This was the first road bike I ever bought, purchased lightly used from a bike shop in '02 I think. It was nothing fancy, but had nice ride qualities. Like a moron, I got rid of it years ago. These days I miss it, and keep my eye out for another like it. 2001 Fuji Ace:


I don't even have any pictures of mine, as they were lost somehow. If I had it back I'd make a few changes and ride the heck out of it.
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My CX race bike; now considered hopelessly out of date. No disc brakes. No through axle hubs. No tapered steering tube.
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