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Old 12-17-20, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
How do you mount and get started in an open space? Just like you would a regular bike? Can you connect it to a training program and control the resistance? I could see it working at my house. The wife and I are close enough in height that we could use the same bike. Something in the middle with adjustable/QR stem and seatpost. Get me one of those Major Taylor sliding stems. Heck, the coolness factor alone would make me a better cyclist.

Edit: I reread your indoor thread. I might have to take a closer look.
Mounting: I use a small step stool on the area side, clip in and get to it.

Not like a regular bike, since it doesnít roll, but you get used to it with a bit of practice. Before I start, I have to get Zwift to pair the HR, cadence and speed sensors, so Iíve already got it in big/big so I can spin up right away.

There are a couple of resistance units available for it, but as add-ones, they require you to also have a power meter, which I do not and will not have. I doubt they are reliable, but most are relative to themselves; I.e. they are consistent with themselves but not other power meters. For example, an FTP session on Zwift is 20 points below the same session on CompuTrainerís program. The most accurate power is read from the crankset, and almost all trainers read from either the rear axle or rear wheel (pressure) cylinder. They are all different, but most are pretty consistent in their own system.

Where rollers succeed beyond trainers is in technique. They will make you a better rider. They are not yet there on resistance matched to a course. The market is small, and advances may not be worth the investment to achieve them. If advances can cross over from the red hot smart trainer market, they will, in time. At present, you are on your bike, using your gears, with a rough measurement of your stats and a roughly simulated course. Incline/decline are not currently available. Resistance requires a power meter and an add-on to the rollers.

Where trainers succeed beyond rollers is data thatís useful. They will make you more fit and more aware of your fitness parameters, and you can specialize the training. The market is focused on the software side of smart trainers. You can literally go for a ride and record the video, map the route, send it off, and get back a pixeled course that you can ride indoors, matched to mapping, elevation, and with video based on the real video you shot. Ride it several times, send it off each time, and the software course gets closer and closer to the real thing. You are on a real bike, simulating a real route, but the choices of gearing are unknown.

Where spin bikes will succeed, possibly, is in software plus real-time tech. My TdF ProForm 5.0 has 2/3x10 Di2. It knows what gear you are in, once you program in your bikeís actual gearing. It can measure power, cadence, speed automatically. It has +/- 20% incline. It uses drop bars and your saddle and pedals. Once it can talk to Zwift, it can increase/decrease resistance and incline/decline per the route, and even coast, based on the terrain. It can analyze your power per gear selection. You are basically duplicating your bikeís gearing and fit on real simulated courses.

Advances are out there and coming. Inside Ride has a cradle for a smart trainer, which makes the bike act a lot more like a real ride. They also have a fork mount that swivels and rocks, for their rollers. It does take away some of the real bike feel, but you donít fall off. Kickr Axis are feet that allow the trainer to tilt like a bike, but only for wheel-off (direct drive) trainers. Kickr also has an automatic incline/decline fork mount, in case you want that. Put the Kickr Trainer model on Axis feet, an Inside Ride cradle, get the incline/decline fork mount, put it on a swivel base, and you are as close as currently available to a realistic ride, on your bike, on simulated routes.

I canít see rollers going to incline/decline, but you never know. That might require dual rollers up front. Resistance, currently matched to a power meter, will eventually come via the route software. That would probably eliminate any pressing need for incline. Your gearing is irrelevant unless some coach dictates it (they do).

Spin studios have too much invested to give up the market to in-home, so theyíve already expanded to those (Peloton, for example is both in-home and in studios). Weíll see where the money goes on the advances.

At present, nothing beats my rollers for what they improve for me. I want to be a better rider, and develop a better ďstroke.Ē Any spin bike, studio bike, trainer, or roller can get your legs in shape, your lungs in shape, and you can tailor any session to get you more fit in a specific way. If you have good technique already, rollers arenít necessary. Only rollers can improve your technique, IMO. I can outclimb my current group, for the most part. I canít outrun them. Thatís going to take better technique.

If I had technique like Doc, or nomadmax , ldmataya , or Chrome Molly , I could just work on climbing and maybe speed. But I donít, so getting the most out of my power is more or less getting better at riding.
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Old 12-17-20, 01:24 PM
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Doc has the technique.

Isn't there(for the people with lots of coin) a treadmill made for you to ride a bike on? I thought I saw something on professional riders using one. Suddenly, this image popped into mind my of a set of rollers/trainer shaped like a hamster/pet wheel. It would take up too much space. I still like the idea I posted in your Indoor thread about the fake setup I was going to make with commercial rollers. That would be a really cool setup for the day I was going to film the video/pics to troll with.

I just thought of another stocking stuffer. It's pricey, but will fit into the stocking. Your pic made me think of it. Better go post it.

Notice I didn't mention it. I have to build up the suspense and drive people to your other thread.

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Old 12-17-20, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Doc has the technique.

Isn't there(for the people with lots of coin) a treadmill made for you to ride a bike on? I thought I saw something on professional riders using one. Suddenly, this image popped into mind my of a set of rollers/trainer shaped like a hamster/pet wheel. It would take up too much space. I still like the idea I posted in your Indoor thread about the fake setup I was going to make with commercial rollers. That would be a really cool setup for the day I was going to film the video/pics to troll with.

I just thought of another stocking stuffer. It's pricey, but will fit into the stocking. Your pic made me think of it. Better go post it.

Notice I didn't mention it. I have to build up the suspense and drive people to your other thread.
Dang it. Now I'm thinking about the "Globe of Death" they used to have in the Circus. I don't think you could make that happen with bicycles. Maybe.

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Interesting side point: but
The TACX Training App has a workout option that basically sets up your trainer in ERG mode but provides a graphic readout of stroke by stroke output.
Which sounds kinda dirty, but actually helps the rider smooth their output left/right and up/down if I understand correctly.
Keep the line on the screen level and straight and output is smooth.
Hills and valleys? Not smooth.
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Sun race 13-28t freewheel:


it just fits! No need for any washers or dishing or anything else. Time to put my STI shifters on!
I just noticed I forgot to take that clear plastic spoke protector thingie (does it have a name?) off. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
Sun race 13-28t freewheel:


it just fits! No need for any washers or dishing or anything else. Time to put my STI shifters on!
I just noticed I forgot to take that clear plastic spoke protector thingie (does it have a name?) off. Oh well.
Sweet!
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Old 12-19-20, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
Sun race 13-28t freewheel:


it just fits! No need for any washers or dishing or anything else. Time to put my STI shifters on!
I just noticed I forgot to take that clear plastic spoke protector thingie (does it have a name?) off. Oh well.
That's great.
Just s reminder, and it may apply to you, I have a 13-28 7 speed Dura Ace freewheel on my MV and I had turn the B screw all the way and pull my wheel way back into the drop outs to make it shift properly.

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Old 12-19-20, 06:34 PM
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I just noticed I forgot to take that clear plastic spoke protector thingie (does it have a name?) off. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
Sun race 13-28t freewheel:


it just fits! No need for any washers or dishing or anything else. Time to put my STI shifters on!
I just noticed I forgot to take that clear plastic spoke protector thingie (does it have a name?) off. Oh well.
I call it the cool kids disc. When conditions are just right and I'm flying down the road I can hear it playing the Queen of the Night aria from The Magic Flute.
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I call it the cool kids disc. When conditions are just right and I'm flying down the road I can hear it playing the Queen of the Night aria from The Magic Flute.
My '85 Ironman is the only bike I have with the spoke saver disc, it has all the components from a '94 trek 2200. So it's all campagnola even the hubs. However the rims are matrix (made by trek?) And the.. umhuh ...disc is Shimano. I accidentally left it on because it was so small and didn't notice it.

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I call it the cool kids disc. When conditions are just right and I'm flying down the road I can hear it playing the Queen of the Night aria from The Magic Flute.
Love it!

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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post
My '85 Ironman is the only bike I have with the spoke saver disc, it has all the components from a '94 trek 2200. So it's all campagnola even the hubs. However the rims are matrix (made by trek?) And the.. umhuh ...disc is Shimano. I accidentally left it on because it was so small and didn't notice it.
There's a bike that popped up on the Ebay thread with Gripshifts. Someone is trying to acquire it. As i remember you are an authority on Gripshifts. You might take a look as see if you can help in some way.
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You guys need to search Seattle CL for 60cm Ironmans. Pink & Yellow complete bike and claimed 60cm. (and now I see one in Portland, as well). Purple & White frame+fork+bits, also 60cm.

Get 'em for theWinter/Holiday Project,
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I call it the cool kids disc. When conditions are just right and I'm flying down the road I can hear it playing the Queen of the Night aria from The Magic Flute.
Mine plays Enter Sandman.
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There's a bike that popped up on the Ebay thread with Gripshifts. Someone is trying to acquire it. As i remember you are an authority on Gripshifts. You might take a look as see if you can help in some way.
That would be me, already have it on the stand but I know nothing about how to tune these up if needed. Any help would be appreciated



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That would be me, already have it on the stand but no nothing about how to tune these up if needed. Any help would be appreciated


Are those the type of grip shifters that are intended to be mounted on the ends of aero bars? I've never seen any that were transparent or translucent like that.
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Are those the type of grip shifters that are intended to be mounted on the ends of aero bars? I've never seen any that were transparent or translucent like that.
Because they are for aliens.
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Because they are for aliens.
Awwheckno. I've seen this movie. It doesn't end well for the humans.


Scary translucent grippy shifty stuff.
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Are those the type of grip shifters that are intended to be mounted on the ends of aero bars? I've never seen any that were transparent or translucent like that.
I donít know much about them but a couple of experienced BF members indicated they were pretty rare and the bike was just $65, a brand I donít have, tall framed and close to me so I thought this might be a fun project. From @Bianchigirll :

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GripShift! Gripshift started out selling shifters for road bikes kinda aimed at the Criterium crowd. hese must be very early because while I sort of remember the clearish ones, I don't recall the bars needing drilled.
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That would be me, already have it on the stand but I know nothing about how to tune these up if needed. Any help would be appreciated


Those are the original 1st generation cool ones. They were originally designed to compete with bar end shifters. I have an ad that shows them used for touring and racing. Triathletes adapted them to aero bars. Are they 6 or 7 speed?
They're very durable and not as easy to install as the next generations, but they're my favorite. BTW they also came in florescent yellow and Pink.
Are you going to leave them on or remove them?

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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post
Those are the original 1st generation cool ones. They were originally designed to compete with bar end shifters. I have an ad that shows them used for touring and racing. Triathletes adapted them to aero bars. Are they they 6 or 7 speed?
They're very durable and not as easy to install as the next generations, but they're my favorite. BTW they also came in florescent yellow and Pink.
Cool, thanks Tex. The bike is a Shogun Primo Sport and it looks to have a replaced steel rear wheel from an old 10 speed. The left side GripShift seems to work moving the Shimano front derailleur like it should but the right side has a lot of play in it and I only feel one ďnotchĒ or stop and nothingís moving on the Suntour Alpha 5000 rear, so itís a frankenbike. Iíd love to see the ad. Can I PM you with questions if I canít find info on YouTube or under mechanical threads here?
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Cool, thanks Tex. The bike is a Shogun Primo Sport and it looks to have a replaced steel rear wheel from an old 10 speed. The left side GripShift seems to work moving the Shimano front derailleur like it should but the right side has a lot of play in it and I only feel one ďnotchĒ or stop and nothingís moving on the Suntour Alpha 5000 rear, so itís a frankenbike. Iíd love to see the ad. Can I PM you with questions if I canít find info on YouTube or under mechanical threads here?
No problem, I'll try to find the ad.
Sure pm me.
One thing, they were specific, so it was offered as Shimano, campy and suntour compatible. Shimano was the most popular. I'd try releasing the cable from the rear derailleur and see how many clicks you get. Then put on a Shimano derailleur and see if it works.
​​Maybe The year of the Shogun would help determine the RD model.
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I would like to touch up the paint on my 1988 Ironman. How might I match the white which has yellowed over years? How do I deal with the blue that is not uniform?

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johnlink good timing. I'm about to touch up my son's '89 (which your is also) as I install 10 speed STI. For the white, I'll layer some various white and pearl auto touch up colors. For the blue....?..
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johnlink good timing. I'm about to touch up my son's '89 (which your is also) as I install 10 speed STI. For the white, I'll layer some various white and pearl auto touch up colors. For the blue....?..
My brother bought the Ironman in '89 but some website says it was built in '88. Is it considered an '89?
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