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Old 06-18-21, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tendency
..and the rust/grime - lol but hey .. to each their own
It's my winter/wet weather bike. I ride it hard and put it away wet. Hence, the semi-cheap, sealed bearing hubs.
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Old 06-18-21, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gugie
What, no one's mentioned that you're supposed to look through the valve hole and see the Campagnolo logo directly underneath? That little bit of information is in a wheelbuilding book somewhere...
It's a PITA, but I try to get it that way.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Thought you're supposed to look down at the Campagnolo logo and see the valve.

Either way, Tullio's ghost has not emerged to murder me for sins against Campagnoloism. Yet.

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I believe the idea is: With the valve on top and the tire label aligned with the valve, you can read the tire, rim and hub and nothing is upside down (of course...this is reading from the right!).
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Originally Posted by gearbasher
I like tradition and I'm anal about it. In this particular case, it has to do with wheels reading from the right. I always build my wheels so the rims read from the right. Unless they are decaled both ways. I always mount my tires so the label is on the right. But, these days, most tires are labeled on both sides. I also make sure my rim strips / tape also read from the right. I know, no one's gonna see it. So why bother? Well what upset me is a set of wheels I built with Miche Primato hubs. I built these a while ago and it bothered me back then. But today, when I stopped at a light and looked down, it just got to me. With the Miche hubs, the brand reads from the rear (as it should) but Primato and Made in Italy read from the left. Pisses me off. You would think an Italian company would keep up with tradition.

Or...am I being too anal?

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You're concerned about the orientation of your labels and ignore the grease and filth caked on your hub and cassette.
To each his own...
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Old 06-18-21, 05:21 PM
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Please read post #26
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Old 06-18-21, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gugie
What, no one's mentioned that you're supposed to look through the valve hole and see the Campagnolo logo directly underneath? That little bit of information is in a wheelbuilding book somewhere...
when did that weird bit of OCD first appear? I sure don't recall hearing of it back in the 70's or 80's, but I wasn't hanging around with the OCD folks either.

in any case, it seems to have become an indicator of quality or "thoroughness", so I've tried to do it. Here's a shot of a wheel I build for a friend a few years ago...




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Old 06-18-21, 06:14 PM
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I see rational thought entering this thread. I'm afraid.

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Old school: Attention to detail demonstrates a high level of craftsmanship attained by the builder.
New School: Build just good enough that when our widget fails it's past the pseudo warranty period and not our problem.
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Old 06-18-21, 06:51 PM
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BTW: Miche did get it right with their RC2 Racing Box Hubs.

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Originally Posted by iab
I have 2 sets of FB (Fratelli Brivio) hubs, Italian made. One is branded Paglianti, made sometime in the mid to late 1930s. The other is branded Frejus CdM, made in the early 1940s. Both are readable from the non-drive side.

When did this so-called "tradition" of readable on the drive side begin?
It started in Latin America. Where they have mass in Latin.
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Old 06-18-21, 08:58 PM
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Couldn't the offending stickers be... removed?
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Originally Posted by Rooney
Couldn't the offending stickers be... removed?
That's not tradition.



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I've had the same nuisance with King front disc hubs, the logo can't be read from the drive side, don't know why they put it backwards. I'd be more fine with the whole thing if it was consistent front and back but to orient one hub differently is just annoying.

Originally Posted by jdawginsc
It seems every bike lately I have worked has the valve stem between two converging spokes, rather than between the more parallel ones...

everyone must have read the same Sheldon article...!
Its a problem with disc wheels, I build my wheels with the outer spoke pulling but with a disc hub the outer spoke on the disc side should actually be opposite and pushing. To get the valve between parallel spokes requires switching up the non-drive spokes.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
That's not tradition.



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Removing branding (if it looks bad) in the form of stickers, patches, et al. is one of my favorite traditions.
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I am all for it... anal traditions.
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Old 06-19-21, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gugie
What, no one's mentioned that you're supposed to look through the valve hole and see the Campagnolo logo directly underneath? That little bit of information is in a wheelbuilding book somewhere...
Looking forward to a 'show us your valve hole' thread.

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Originally Posted by P!N20
Looking forward to a 'show us your valve hole' thread.
Spokes aren't tensioned enough, 6/10.

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Originally Posted by Rooney
Removing branding (if it looks bad) in the form of stickers, patches, et al. is one of my favorite traditions.
Mods, please move the post above to the new "Show Off Your Bikes Without Decals!"/"Please Help Identify My Bike!" subforum.
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Tradition is peer pressure from dead people...... somebody
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
when did that weird bit of OCD first appear? I sure don't recall hearing of it back in the 70's or 80's, but I wasn't hanging around with the OCD folks either.

in any case, it seems to have become an indicator of quality or "thoroughness", so I've tried to do it. Here's a shot of a wheel I build for a friend a few years ago...




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All the LBSs I worked at in the 80’s did it that way, fairly common knowledge BITD.
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Originally Posted by gearbasher
Or...am I being too anal?
If your practice gives you satisfaction, go for it. Perhaps you're a bit anal but so are most others about this or the other. I generally follow the convention but admit to building wheels the exact opposite of convention, just to be contrarian (and perhaps cause panic among other riders).

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You do realize that when you're riding the bike, it's impossible to ascertain the orientation of the labels?
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I'd be more concerned about the open-cam quick release on a horizontal dropout than the orientation of the letters on the hub.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
I'd be more concerned about the open-cam quick release on a horizontal dropout than the orientation of the letters on the hub.
Since Campy's newest Record hubs have open cams, 4 of my 6 bikes now have them. All are horizontal drops. Only once did the rear wheel cock on me. And, that was my fault. I never made my quick releases very tight when I used the closed cam hubs. So, I did the same with the open cam. From a track stand to a hard launch, I pulled the wheel into the left chain stay.. I now make them tighter, and it never happened again.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Spokes aren't tensioned enough, 6/10.
I prefer a cushioned ride
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