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Shimano 600 Hubs vs Late 80s Sansin Hubs

Old 01-09-21, 07:41 PM
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Shimano 600 Hubs vs Late 80s Sansin Hubs

Hey y'all

Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.

Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.

Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.

I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.

Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
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I like them both. I can be of no further assistance though. :-)
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i have some wheels that are probably just like the sansin/matrix set you have. and, i have a friend with 600 hubs....though they're freehub. at any rate, i've not noticed any real difference in functionality. my sansin's spin quite nicely and remain well sealed after a lot of years
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Just bought a set of NOS sansin hubs, freewheel, to build a better set of wheels for my daughter's favorite bike. Although they're a little heavier then expected which shouldn't be surprising, the ones I bought are bolt-on, they are very smooth and with the cartridge bearings they should be easy to refresh for like new performance.
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so basically tomāto/tomato im guessing
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
I like them both. I can be of no further assistance though. :-)
lol thank you. kinda expected this
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth
Just bought a set of NOS sansin hubs, freewheel, to build a better set of wheels for my daughter's favorite bike. Although they're a little heavier then expected which shouldn't be surprising, the ones I bought are bolt-on, they are very smooth and with the cartridge bearings they should be easy to refresh for like new performance.
ahhh that might make sense as to why the 1100 is a bit heavier. couldn't really figure out why that would be. trying to decide which bike to keep at the moment and having a tough time choosing lol
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I have both. The Shimano 600 are better.

So far the only C&V hubs I've ridden that rival the Shimano 600 for both quality and value are the Mavic hubs on a wheelset I recently got from another BF member.

My Sansin hubs (not sure of the model) are comparable to the Suntour GPX hubs from my Ironman. They're good but not great. I wouldn't go out of my way to use either set of hubs to build new wheels around. I'll save 'em for indoor trainer sessions.

The Shimano 600 hubs that came with another model Ironman (Master or Carbon, not sure which) and Wolber Super Champion Alpine rims are a notch above in buttery smoothness and build quality. They're comparable to the more recent Ultegra hubs on a borrowed wheelset. The Mavic hubs appear to be equal to those 600 and Ultegra hubs, although the Mavic design is a bit quirky and I'm not sure about tools to disassemble and service it.

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Originally Posted by canklecat
I have both. The Shimano 600 are better.
That's what i was leaning towards thinking. Maybe lace the 600s to the Matrix IIs? Those rims are in a bit better condition. Or maybe just leave the on the og Matrix that are a little beat? Thanks for the input
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I had a set of 600 hub laced to some Mavic box rims for many years. I just sold them about 4 months ago as I did not need them any longer as the rims brake surface was toast. They were built in the early 90's and came on a set of wheel I had purchased second hand, but they were still super smooth. They were great hubs, and I owned them for roughly 20 years.
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Originally Posted by jaxgtr
I had a set of 600 hub laced to some Mavic box rims for many years. I just sold them about 4 months ago as I did not need them any longer as the rims brake surface was toast. They were built in the early 90's and came on a set of wheel I had purchased second hand, but they were still super smooth. They were great hubs, and I owned them for roughly 20 years.
I actually have a pair of Mavic MA40s (laced to some 105s I think) that I've been saving for a rainy day. If I end up building this bike out to keep I think lacing the 600s to the MA40s might be the real move !
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Originally Posted by runninupthathil
I actually have a pair of Mavic MA40s (laced to some 105s I think) that I've been saving for a rainy day. If I end up building this bike out to keep I think lacing the 600s to the MA40s might be the real move !
Actually my 600 hubs were on Mavic MA-40's that were from ~1996\97 give or take a year. They were pretty bomb proof 32 spoke rims. I was a much heavier rider at the time and they rolled me along without any issues.
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When you get your tires, see which rims they fit best. I had some Matrix rims that were a bear to put tires on but I don't know if they were Matrix II.
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Originally Posted by runninupthathil
Hey y'all

Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.

Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.

Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.

I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.

Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
​​​​​​Freehub or freewheel?
Freehub would swing it for me.
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On a nice descent, you may notice that the Shimano hubs are a bit better, given that both are well-packed and adjusted.
They really were well-made, smooth, and just appeared to have a bit higher quality control. I like my Suzues and Shimanos.
I had some Mavics, but never really rode them. I'd put the Sansins behind them, but they are easily equal to my riding abilities.
I think any difference, in reality, for me, is more imagined than perceived.
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