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Old 06-09-21, 10:54 AM
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My return from Fred-dom

Anyone that has ridden with me knows that I haven't worn proper kit or used toeclips/SPDs since I quit road racing in the late 80s. I'm most likely seen riding in regular old cargo-type shorts, t-shirt, and some kind of funky non-biking type shoes (or even Keen sandals!).

I've been thinking a lot lately about changing that, and so yesterday I broke down and ordered proper bike shorts and a jersey from J&G Cyclewear (made in Oregon!).

Why now? Entirely practical reasons, I suppose. I felt like I wanted a clean separation between my biking clothes and my street clothes, jersey pockets are very handy, and it's just more comfortable on long rides.

I'm still on the fence, however, about shoes/toeclips/SPDs. Maybe I'll find some vintage shoes like my old Vittoria's, remove the cleats, and attach the clips/straps that I have in the parts bin. We'll see.
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Most everyday clothes are just fine for everyday riding.

When you're doing specialized riding (e.g., training, racing, for sport), clothes designed to keep one comfortable and minimally chafed are advisable too.

Now if someone suggests that one absolutely needs cycling shorts and a team jersey to ride an IGH city bike to the store and back...well, I can tell you the Freddiot of the two isn't the party that's content using everyday clothes for the task.

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P.S.: The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding. Wear them with pride, knowing that you're pissing off someone in their SUV who thinks that your sandals - not their two-ton battering ram - is somehow the biggest threat to human life in the vicinity. Irony can be sweet and on your feet.
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Get SPD cleat sandals to perfectly thread the line between Fred-dom and Velo-dom.
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Rock socks with your sandals!


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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Most everyday clothes are just fine for everyday riding.... The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding...
Keen offers cycling sandals with closed toes. Shimano sells sandals with open toes. I own a pair of Keens, and am glad for the closed toe cap. But I'm the type of person who is likely to jam or break a toe on some unseen object.
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To each his own, I say ...

But personally I draw the line at sandals. Firmly. A sartorial faux pas of extraordinary magnitude. On the beach, when no one is watching? Maybe. But in the out and open? No sir.

My favorite cycling shoes for riding in town: hand-made Italian eel skin. And no, they have no SPD cleats.





On a more serious note: I like wool jerseys and shorts. Good-looking, comfortable, and the back pockets are very useful indeed. However, I find I don't really need them, at least not for the kind of rides I do: mostly leisurely rides up to 100k. And when touring, there are advantages to wearing "normal" clothing. Like when you ride into a town, and want to have lunch in a decent restaurant.

WRT shoes, I find these a good compromise. Classic cycle touring shoes. They are made for clips and straps, to be used without cleats, and - sort of - work well with both formal cycling apparel (wool), and a more casual outfit:



I have them in brown and black, of course.
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Rock socks with your sandals!

Aaaahhh, my eyes!

Socks and sandals are actually a thing in Oregon. But no... just... no.

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Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
...Keen sandals!
Ohhh Noooo!!!!

In Oregon maybe... Ha

What ever ya want is the best way to go. Transitioning from Bicycle Racing to just ridding can be more than tedious. There is a difference between a ridding bicycle and racing bicycle and it goes the same way with a kit, I guess. I did see once a guy with a full pro competition kit and a track helmet ridding a poser Walmart bicycle with fenders. It was odd. But hey man... He was ridding!!!
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Old 06-09-21, 12:33 PM
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To each his own, I say ...

But personally I draw the line at sandals. Firmly. A sartorial faux pas of extraordinary magnitude. On the beach, when no one is watching? Maybe. But in the out and open? No sir.

My favorite cycling shoes for riding in town: hand-made Italian eel skin. And no, they have no SPD cleats.

On a more serious note: I like wool jerseys and shorts. Good-looking, comfortable, and the back pockets are very useful indeed. However, I find I don't really need them, at least not for the kind of rides I do: mostly leisurely rides up to 100k. And when touring, there are advantages to wearing "normal" clothing. Like when you ride into a town, and want to have lunch in a decent restaurant.

WRT shoes, I find these a good compromise. Classic cycle touring shoes. They are made for clips and straps, to be used without cleats, and - sort of - work well with both formal cycling apparel (wool), and a more casual outfit:

I have them in brown and black, of course.
Those are both seriously stylish shoes. Yeah, sandals. I find that I can't really wear them any more. My feet get sweaty and gooey in no time flat, and it's just not a comfortable feeling. I most certainly won't be wearing socks with them.

What brand are those classic cycling shoes? I may go that route.
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I like walkable cleats/shoes now, gone to SPD from the SPD-SL I was wearing. And I do have a set of SPD sandals. I was never of big fan of straps, even back when that was our only choice. They're fine for longer rides, but they just annoy me riding in neighborhoods.

Considering those large flat pedals (or something similar) that Larry from Mt Airy Cycles endorses. I don't recall the manufacturer off the top of my head. EDIT: Catalyst.

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Keen offers cycling sandals with closed toes. Shimano sells sandals with open toes. I own a pair of Keens, and am glad for the closed toe cap. But I'm the type of person who is likely to jam or break a toe on some unseen object.
I have a two toes all bent to hell from a sandal involved childhood accident while riding a bike.
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I wanna see a movie of these shoes in action, when maneuvering requires turning the front wheel 10 degrees or so.


I really like the Holdsworth shoes, though they'd never work with my double-Ees feet. As I've posted before, I'm a satisfied Onitsuka Tiger Mexico 66 customer, many times over.

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My bro bikes 30+ miles barefoot - so there's that option as well.
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Casual, downtown on one of the classic racers, I’m wearing whatever. But, on the road with the Criterium Series I’ll wear jersey, helmet, gloves, glasses. I’m clips/straps the whole way.
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"SPD and Ergo?"
"No, IGH and DynoLuxe."
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Why did I read that in a British accent? Just me?
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I had been riding in sandals and ordinary khaki shorts for years. Rivendell influence, I guess.

I tried to go for biggest improvements first, so I started with the shoes, then the shorts, then the clipless pedals, and then the jersey. Each made a notable improvement. And each improvement was subtler than the last. In the end, I think the jersey makes the least difference and may even be worse than a nice linen shirt on a hot day going 15mph or slower.

I still commute in sandals and socks and ordinary clothes, but right now it's only 2 miles. I'd probably start with shoes, and work my way up the list, if my commute became any longer.
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Why did I read that in a British accent? Just me?
The question is...which British accent?

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The question is...which British accent?

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The cool one.
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Those are both seriously stylish shoes. Yeah, sandals. I find that I can't really wear them any more. My feet get sweaty and gooey in no time flat, and it's just not a comfortable feeling. I most certainly won't be wearing socks with them.

What brand are those classic cycling shoes? I may go that route.
Thanks! Glad to hear about the socks.

The cycling shoes are the Holdsworth Rough Stuff classic touring shoes. Planet X sells them (or rather sold, as they're currently out of stock), at wildly varying prices. IIRC I got them on sale for about €70, and at that price I wanted to try them. And I like them.
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The cool one.
Is that the one that doesn't require subtitles?
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I've been getting away from wearing jerseys. Nothing against jerseys but there are a lot of great technical t shirts out there. I like clipless but I've been moving to bmx pedals since I can run any shoe I like with them. But I'm keeping my lycra shorts.
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I wanna see a movie of these shoes in action, when maneuvering requires turning the front wheel 10 degrees or so.


To be honest, it isn't an issue. I guess they're smaller than they look. I only get toe overlap on my really short wheelbase bikes with fenders and toe clips. And only when not paying attention. Which doesn't happen very often, fortunately, as I prefer classic Bluemels, and I have had a front fender explode on me that way last year:

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The cool one.
Envisioning Alan Ford's voice right now
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