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Old 06-25-21, 03:22 PM
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Having a tough time deciding between 2 jobs

I have 2 offers on the table right now. Job 1 is 15 minutes from home and has a livable wage, plenty of room for advancement. Job 2 is close to an hour away, is much more physical and difficult, but it pays 30% more.

My instincts tell me to take Job 1, for more than the reasons above, but I'm finding it extremely difficult to say "no" to more money right off the bat. I've done a cost benefit analysis and job 1 edges out job 2, but again, I'm second guessing myself because of the money.

Any wise words from my more experienced peers? Or you could just tell me I'm being an idiot.
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Old 06-25-21, 03:43 PM
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Personally, quality of life is more important than money. No way would I (presumably) drive close to an hour (on a good day) for the difference in pay, especially if there is room for advancement in No. 1. But that’s me. What you can tolerate depends on you.
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30% is significant.

So the question you have to ask yourself - balanced against that significant loss of QoL - is the money need or greed?
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It would be rude to suggest you're an idiot. You haven't given us a lot to go on, and we (I) don't know you well enough to understand what you're job-related motivations might be. Here are some considerations from my experience.

1) I once had an offer to go which would have been 20% increase in pay. I was also holding options which hadn't matured and their paper value was about 2/3 year salary.
What is the reputation for each company? Are they prime for a takeover?
I stuck it out. Partially because I'm a small-town guy and I like to do outdoor things. Moving to accept the new job would have meant increases in cost of living as well as real estate.
In the end, we got bought out. Not too long afterward, the CEO was featured in the series "American Greed" and began to wear an orange suit. The stock price tanked and as the options matured, their value was in the red.
The good news is that I ignored the options and the company eventually converted them to stock at their cost. So I ended up with enough money to buy a used Ti bike.

2) Are the job duties the same? It seems like option "b" is more grueling and the additional commute does not help. What is the worst case scenario? Additional hours? And at whose expense (i.e. is this salaried?)?
Seems like option "a" has better work-life balance. This should not be overlooked.
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When I took my present job (my first and only one since grad school) it was because i saw good personal challenges with the chances for advancement (I’m now a full partner), a woman owner who i knew would be, and is, a wonderful mentor and especially the satisfaction of the work itself and the working with the people I do. Since that is what’s important to me the benefits and increasing salary has always meant much less....that's just my perspective on it.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
30% is significant.

So the question you have to ask yourself - balanced against that significant loss of QoL - is the money need or greed?
Definitely more greed than need, but I do think there's something to be said for feeling undervalued, which I would in the lower paying position.

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2) Are the job duties the same? It seems like option "b" is more grueling and the additional commute does not help. What is the worst case scenario? Additional hours? And at whose expense (i.e. is this salaried?)?
Seems like option "a" has better work-life balance. This should not be overlooked.
Job duties are very different, just the same general field. The lower paying job would likely have more hours, at least ~1/3 of the year, but both are hourly and pay typical overtime pay after 40hrs. I guess the worst case scenario with the higher paying job is that I'm outside all the time. Worst case scenario in the lower paying job is a few 60 hr weeks/year, which I'm totally used to.

Thank you all, you've given me a lot to think about. I'm definitely leaning towards the less paying job.
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If you really want to feel undervalued, get married and have some children.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
If you really want to feel undervalued, get married and have some children.
Oof. You're getting too real over here.
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Originally Posted by BenzFanatic View Post
Definitely more greed than need, but I do think there's something to be said for feeling undervalued, which I would in the lower paying position.
What do you mean about undervalued? Is this position "beneath" your ability-level? Or do you perceive the position to be judged as "beneath" your ability/skill? In other words, will you be sandbagging? If so, it isn't the end of the world as long as there is upward mobility.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
If you really want to feel undervalued, get married and have some children.
For the record, you said that out loud. Not just to yourself.
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Which one will serve as the better stepping stone to yet another better than either job.
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Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
What do you mean about undervalued? Is this position "beneath" your ability-level? Or do you perceive the position to be judged as "beneath" your ability/skill? In other words, will you be sandbagging? If so, it isn't the end of the world as long as there is upward mobility.
I strictly mean monetarily. Nothing is beneath me I wouldn't put it in those terms, but I do perceive it as being minimally challenging. There is definitely upward mobility there.
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Which one will serve as the better stepping stone to yet another better than either job.
Ooh good point. Either would be valuable experience but I do feel that the less paying job would be a better stepping stone, and do more for rounding out my experience.
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I have 2 offers on the table right now. Job 1 is 15 minutes from home and has a livable wage, plenty of room for advancement. Job 2 is close to an hour away, is much more physical and difficult, but it pays 30% more.

My instincts tell me to take Job 1, for more than the reasons above, but I'm finding it extremely difficult to say "no" to more money right off the bat. I've done a cost benefit analysis and job 1 edges out job 2, but again, I'm second guessing myself because of the money.

Any wise words from my more experienced peers? Or you could just tell me I'm being an idiot.
Did the recruiter tell you this? After 35 years of employment, and hearing that line many times, I wouldn't trust it. If job one can supply you with some experience you can sell to your next employer, then go for it, but I wouldn't count on that employer promoting you. Maybe job two can provide some initial pay bump while also getting you experience you can use to sell yourself to a future employer, too. Tough call and I'd need more info to make a decision if it was me.

Overall: Can you get hold of each company's annual financial report (if they are public companies) to see if its growing, holding steady, or in a tough industry that'll see some 'adjustments in size' in the future? In today's world you should always consider yourself a contract employee who can be let go at any time for any reason.
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I'm about to hit 15 years working at a company that under pays me (and everyone else) but I've stayed because the work is fine and it's 15 minutes away. You will be saving 1.5 hours each day with Job #1. If there is room for advancement you can spend that extra time working your way up the food chain. If a couple of years doesn't bear fruit, you can always jump then.
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Trust your instinct. Job 1.

What I've learned in more working years than you have on the planet is taking a worse job for more pay just makes you miserable. Your gut seems to have told you job 1 is the one.

Use the 1.5 hours you'll save on commuting each day to work on your skills (and ride your bike).
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Did the recruiter tell you this? After 35 years of employment, and hearing that line many times, I wouldn't trust it. If job one can supply you with some experience you can sell to your next employer, then go for it, but I wouldn't count on that employer promoting you. Maybe job two can provide some initial pay bump while also getting you experience you can use to sell yourself to a future employer, too. Tough call and I'd need more info to make a decision if it was me.

Overall: Can you get hold of each company's annual financial report (if they are public companies) to see if its growing, holding steady, or in a tough industry that'll see some 'adjustments in size' in the future? In today's world you should always consider yourself a contract employee who can be let go at any time for any reason.
I usually wouldn't trust the promises of advancement, and I don't in the case of Job 2. But, at job 1, it seems genuine. When I asked them about that they pretty much laid out a 5-10 year plan of advancement for me. All 3 of the people above me started in my potential position.

Both companies are established, thriving and have great projected growth.

Job 1 got in touch this evening with their official offer, which was less than we talked about and borderline insulting. I gave them my flat out bottom line, and if they can't reach it, I'll really have no other choice.

However, I also learned that the owner of Job 2 is kind of a family friend, which neither of us realized initially.

If Job 1 comes up to my minimum, I think I'll take it. It seems like a better fit, and I loathe commuting. I live a fairly simple life, and while more money would be nice right now, it's not entirely necessary. If they can't, well, I need a job, so I'll take number 2 and hope for the best.
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I have 2 offers on the table right now. Job 1 is 15 minutes from home and has a livable wage, plenty of room for advancement. Job 2 is close to an hour away, is much more physical and difficult, but it pays 30% more.

My instincts tell me to take Job 1, for more than the reasons above, but I'm finding it extremely difficult to say "no" to more money right off the bat. I've done a cost benefit analysis and job 1 edges out job 2, but again, I'm second guessing myself because of the money.

Any wise words from my more experienced peers? Or you could just tell me I'm being an idiot.
Thoughts.

If I could tell my younger self something about work... “Right away, find if pretty much everyone in management is related to each other. Find out if kissing up and/or who you know is more valuable than good work (It usually is). Never give your all. Give 60-80% and advance yourself (either with your own employer or something like getting a degree on their time) with the rest.

I really dislike driving.

However, I think Ziglar said “If you have to commute, make your car a university.”

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However, I also learned that the owner of Job 2 is kind of a family friend, which neither of us realized initially.
Congrats! Your ticket to mid level management.
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Congrats! Your ticket to mid level management.
If I end up at the other job, I'll just start sleeping my way to the top.
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If I end up at the other job, I'll just start sleeping my way to the top.
All the Hollywood starlets that auditioned for a second movie after knowing the price of admission.

Things that make you go “Hmmm...”
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Wisdom: Time is invaluable.
2nd Wisdom: Work is a good chunk of your life. Don't pick a job you'll dislike.
3rd Wisdom: More income does increase happiness, up to a point. Then it doesn't. I don't know where you are on that scale.

What about relocating for job #2?
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You'll pollute less if you take the closer job.
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Wisdom: Time is invaluable.
2nd Wisdom: Work is a good chunk of your life. Don't pick a job you'll dislike.
3rd Wisdom: More income does increase happiness, up to a point. Then it doesn't. I don't know where you are on that scale.

What about relocating for job #2?
Statistically I'm approaching the "more money won't necessarily increase happiness" range. Job 2 would put me into that category. Job 1 would allow me to survive with some creature comforts and maybe save ~10% of my salary.

My lease is up in August, so relocating is an option, but I live literally less than a mile from my best friends, and I really don't want to change that. They're my family.
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