BMC MTB Warranty woes... advice wanted
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BMC MTB Warranty woes... advice wanted
Hi, newbee poster here. Apologies if this is in the incorrect section.
UK-based cyclist here. I've been recreationally cycling for about 10 years to keep fit.
My cycling has upped significantly during COVID, through both commuting to 'home office’ (4 miles a day round trip) and longer workout rides covering roads/paths/bridalways at lunchtimes/after work/weekends (6-20 miles ontop of that per day, on average). I’m using a MTB with mtb tyres, (basically as 'resistance training' :-) ), and to give me flexability over routes.
In 2017 I bought a lovely 'entry-ish-level' BMC Sportelite hardtail MTB (alloy frame). All fine, lovely to ride, and during past 14 months it has received a number of upgrades including a nice pair of £350 DT Swiss wheels, upgraded brake rotors, as well as Scwalbe marathon plus tyres to resist flats.
About 6 weeks ago, while cleaning the bike I notice a 3mm hairline crack in the seat stay/seat post weld, accompanied by creaking/clicking which has become more frequent. The frame has around 6.6k miles on it, around 95% on ‘low stress' sufaces (roads/tarmac paths), rather than trails (and half of this done in the last 12 months). 4 years into a 5 year warranty, while disappointed at this failure, I was expecting replacement frame (alloy can’t be easily repaired I understand)…..
My dealer has had long back and forth with BMC; upshot is they are refusing/unable to replace the frame and offering to refund the original purchase price (c.£600) as a credit for the store (who no longer stock BMC, and has a limited range of other brands).
None of the store’s MTBs are compatible with my recently-purchased wheels (650b, skewers), meaning I have an expensive stranded asset after a very short life. Also most of their MTBs are 29ers rather than 650b wheels.
Therefore, buying a new bike at credit price or with top up from me still leaves me with a number of 'entry level' parts, namely wheels, rotors and tyres meaning that I will have to further pay to upgrade back. I therefore feel rather cheated (my tyres still have 6-12 months life in them at current rate of use, and my IceTech rotors another 8 months of life, and wheels/hubs are virtually brand new).
I know a manufacturer isn't responsible for any after-market parts I add on, however I would argue, in terms of stated warranty of 'equivalent parts', any warranty resolution should also be compatible with the original (and therefore upgraded spec) parts, and not render such parts obsolete. In the currently proposed resolution I will be SIGNIFICANTLY out of pocket to get a new bike up to the same standard (to the tune of around £500 plus labour, on top of any additional cost of a new bike).
I really want to insist on a replacement frame, and feel that the manufacturer should hold stock to honour warranty agreements. If they cannot provide a new frame, the credit should be sufficient to cover the cost of a new bike to AT LEAST same specification as the one I now own. I feel very let down by BMC. I know my retailer is arguing my case, but also know they will benefit £££ if I end up buying a new bike and compatible parts...
Can anyone advise on my 'rights', any precedents, or the ‘magic words’ on how best to manage this situation? Should I consider taking BMC to small claims court?
I can’t be the first person in this situation, so would appreciate hearing other’s experiences.
Thanks
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UK-based cyclist here. I've been recreationally cycling for about 10 years to keep fit.
My cycling has upped significantly during COVID, through both commuting to 'home office’ (4 miles a day round trip) and longer workout rides covering roads/paths/bridalways at lunchtimes/after work/weekends (6-20 miles ontop of that per day, on average). I’m using a MTB with mtb tyres, (basically as 'resistance training' :-) ), and to give me flexability over routes.
In 2017 I bought a lovely 'entry-ish-level' BMC Sportelite hardtail MTB (alloy frame). All fine, lovely to ride, and during past 14 months it has received a number of upgrades including a nice pair of £350 DT Swiss wheels, upgraded brake rotors, as well as Scwalbe marathon plus tyres to resist flats.
About 6 weeks ago, while cleaning the bike I notice a 3mm hairline crack in the seat stay/seat post weld, accompanied by creaking/clicking which has become more frequent. The frame has around 6.6k miles on it, around 95% on ‘low stress' sufaces (roads/tarmac paths), rather than trails (and half of this done in the last 12 months). 4 years into a 5 year warranty, while disappointed at this failure, I was expecting replacement frame (alloy can’t be easily repaired I understand)…..
My dealer has had long back and forth with BMC; upshot is they are refusing/unable to replace the frame and offering to refund the original purchase price (c.£600) as a credit for the store (who no longer stock BMC, and has a limited range of other brands).
None of the store’s MTBs are compatible with my recently-purchased wheels (650b, skewers), meaning I have an expensive stranded asset after a very short life. Also most of their MTBs are 29ers rather than 650b wheels.
Therefore, buying a new bike at credit price or with top up from me still leaves me with a number of 'entry level' parts, namely wheels, rotors and tyres meaning that I will have to further pay to upgrade back. I therefore feel rather cheated (my tyres still have 6-12 months life in them at current rate of use, and my IceTech rotors another 8 months of life, and wheels/hubs are virtually brand new).
I know a manufacturer isn't responsible for any after-market parts I add on, however I would argue, in terms of stated warranty of 'equivalent parts', any warranty resolution should also be compatible with the original (and therefore upgraded spec) parts, and not render such parts obsolete. In the currently proposed resolution I will be SIGNIFICANTLY out of pocket to get a new bike up to the same standard (to the tune of around £500 plus labour, on top of any additional cost of a new bike).
I really want to insist on a replacement frame, and feel that the manufacturer should hold stock to honour warranty agreements. If they cannot provide a new frame, the credit should be sufficient to cover the cost of a new bike to AT LEAST same specification as the one I now own. I feel very let down by BMC. I know my retailer is arguing my case, but also know they will benefit £££ if I end up buying a new bike and compatible parts...
Can anyone advise on my 'rights', any precedents, or the ‘magic words’ on how best to manage this situation? Should I consider taking BMC to small claims court?
I can’t be the first person in this situation, so would appreciate hearing other’s experiences.
Thanks
Alpha Foxtrot 216
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I'd try approaching BMC directly, stating that your prior store is no longer a BMC dealer and you'd really really really like to stick with a BMC product.
Your frame appears to no longer be in production, do BMC offer a current product you'd be interested in, even if there was an upgrade cost?
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Your frame appears to no longer be in production, do BMC offer a current product you'd be interested in, even if there was an upgrade cost?
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As I understand it, the UK has rather specific policies regarding warranties; have you consulted them?
If your frame is essentially obsolete, you might be able to wangle a discount on a new complete bike. Sounds like you could use it, given that you ride a bit. The fact that you upgraded the wheels and such is, I suspect, not BMC's problem.
If your frame is essentially obsolete, you might be able to wangle a discount on a new complete bike. Sounds like you could use it, given that you ride a bit. The fact that you upgraded the wheels and such is, I suspect, not BMC's problem.
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Since replacement frames no longer exist, seems the best you could hope for is a substantial discount on a current model. Sell the parts from your old bike or look for an inexpensive frame and move them over.Edit- Read the OP again. A store credit for the full purchase price seems more than fair!
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A credit for the cost of the original bike seems like a good deal to me. What other brands does the store carry? BMC would not be a brand I would normally consider anyway for an MTB.
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do you get to keep the cracked frame as well as receive the credit? Yes? Then trade the old one in to the store + credit for a new bicycle.
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
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Hi, newbee poster here. Apologies if this is in the incorrect section.
UK-based cyclist here. I've been recreationally cycling for about 10 years to keep fit.
My cycling has upped significantly during COVID, through both commuting to 'home office’ (4 miles a day round trip) and longer workout rides covering roads/paths/bridalways at lunchtimes/after work/weekends (6-20 miles ontop of that per day, on average). I’m using a MTB with mtb tyres, (basically as 'resistance training' :-) ), and to give me flexability over routes.
In 2017 I bought a lovely 'entry-ish-level' BMC Sportelite hardtail MTB (alloy frame). All fine, lovely to ride, and during past 14 months it has received a number of upgrades including a nice pair of £350 DT Swiss wheels, upgraded brake rotors, as well as Scwalbe marathon plus tyres to resist flats.
About 6 weeks ago, while cleaning the bike I notice a 3mm hairline crack in the seat stay/seat post weld, accompanied by creaking/clicking which has become more frequent. The frame has around 6.6k miles on it, around 95% on ‘low stress' sufaces (roads/tarmac paths), rather than trails (and half of this done in the last 12 months). 4 years into a 5 year warranty, while disappointed at this failure, I was expecting replacement frame (alloy can’t be easily repaired I understand)…..
My dealer has had long back and forth with BMC; upshot is they are refusing/unable to replace the frame and offering to refund the original purchase price (c.£600) as a credit for the store (who no longer stock BMC, and has a limited range of other brands).
None of the store’s MTBs are compatible with my recently-purchased wheels (650b, skewers), meaning I have an expensive stranded asset after a very short life. Also most of their MTBs are 29ers rather than 650b wheels.
Therefore, buying a new bike at credit price or with top up from me still leaves me with a number of 'entry level' parts, namely wheels, rotors and tyres meaning that I will have to further pay to upgrade back. I therefore feel rather cheated (my tyres still have 6-12 months life in them at current rate of use, and my IceTech rotors another 8 months of life, and wheels/hubs are virtually brand new).
I know a manufacturer isn't responsible for any after-market parts I add on, however I would argue, in terms of stated warranty of 'equivalent parts', any warranty resolution should also be compatible with the original (and therefore upgraded spec) parts, and not render such parts obsolete. In the currently proposed resolution I will be SIGNIFICANTLY out of pocket to get a new bike up to the same standard (to the tune of around £500 plus labour, on top of any additional cost of a new bike).
I really want to insist on a replacement frame, and feel that the manufacturer should hold stock to honour warranty agreements. If they cannot provide a new frame, the credit should be sufficient to cover the cost of a new bike to AT LEAST same specification as the one I now own. I feel very let down by BMC. I know my retailer is arguing my case, but also know they will benefit £££ if I end up buying a new bike and compatible parts...
Can anyone advise on my 'rights', any precedents, or the ‘magic words’ on how best to manage this situation? Should I consider taking BMC to small claims court?
I can’t be the first person in this situation, so would appreciate hearing other’s experiences.
Thanks
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UK-based cyclist here. I've been recreationally cycling for about 10 years to keep fit.
My cycling has upped significantly during COVID, through both commuting to 'home office’ (4 miles a day round trip) and longer workout rides covering roads/paths/bridalways at lunchtimes/after work/weekends (6-20 miles ontop of that per day, on average). I’m using a MTB with mtb tyres, (basically as 'resistance training' :-) ), and to give me flexability over routes.
In 2017 I bought a lovely 'entry-ish-level' BMC Sportelite hardtail MTB (alloy frame). All fine, lovely to ride, and during past 14 months it has received a number of upgrades including a nice pair of £350 DT Swiss wheels, upgraded brake rotors, as well as Scwalbe marathon plus tyres to resist flats.
About 6 weeks ago, while cleaning the bike I notice a 3mm hairline crack in the seat stay/seat post weld, accompanied by creaking/clicking which has become more frequent. The frame has around 6.6k miles on it, around 95% on ‘low stress' sufaces (roads/tarmac paths), rather than trails (and half of this done in the last 12 months). 4 years into a 5 year warranty, while disappointed at this failure, I was expecting replacement frame (alloy can’t be easily repaired I understand)…..
My dealer has had long back and forth with BMC; upshot is they are refusing/unable to replace the frame and offering to refund the original purchase price (c.£600) as a credit for the store (who no longer stock BMC, and has a limited range of other brands).
None of the store’s MTBs are compatible with my recently-purchased wheels (650b, skewers), meaning I have an expensive stranded asset after a very short life. Also most of their MTBs are 29ers rather than 650b wheels.
Therefore, buying a new bike at credit price or with top up from me still leaves me with a number of 'entry level' parts, namely wheels, rotors and tyres meaning that I will have to further pay to upgrade back. I therefore feel rather cheated (my tyres still have 6-12 months life in them at current rate of use, and my IceTech rotors another 8 months of life, and wheels/hubs are virtually brand new).
I know a manufacturer isn't responsible for any after-market parts I add on, however I would argue, in terms of stated warranty of 'equivalent parts', any warranty resolution should also be compatible with the original (and therefore upgraded spec) parts, and not render such parts obsolete. In the currently proposed resolution I will be SIGNIFICANTLY out of pocket to get a new bike up to the same standard (to the tune of around £500 plus labour, on top of any additional cost of a new bike).
I really want to insist on a replacement frame, and feel that the manufacturer should hold stock to honour warranty agreements. If they cannot provide a new frame, the credit should be sufficient to cover the cost of a new bike to AT LEAST same specification as the one I now own. I feel very let down by BMC. I know my retailer is arguing my case, but also know they will benefit £££ if I end up buying a new bike and compatible parts...
Can anyone advise on my 'rights', any precedents, or the ‘magic words’ on how best to manage this situation? Should I consider taking BMC to small claims court?
I can’t be the first person in this situation, so would appreciate hearing other’s experiences.
Thanks
Alpha Foxtrot 216
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You think the manufacturer should hold for five years an equal number of frames as those they’ve sold? Then what would they do with them?
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After that, either build them into 'end of line' bikes (if compatable parts are available), or more easily sell them as frame only, brand new, without warranty replacement.
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Obviously, the results vary by jurisdiction. In many cases a warranty will specify that they will replace with a "product" of equal or greater value if they no longer off the original "product". Or give back the purchase price.
Good luck. And as suggested, don't let it totally sour you on biking.
Good luck. And as suggested, don't let it totally sour you on biking.
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
I have pushed back with BMC on this and will see what they say. Otherwise I am tempted to counter-offer on a discount AND credit towards a new bike and see what they say
I guess I'm just miffed that they can advertise a 5 year warranty (where they promise repair or replacement) and not hold stock of spare frames for the duration. I had (naively) assumed that a warranty meant the manufacturer promises that parts will NOT be obsolete for the duration of their warranty. This seems like a sensible interpreation of such a pledge.
Had I known this risk I certainly would not have sheeled out money on upgrading parts last year (which I assumed would have absolute guarantee of use during the remaining warranty life of the frame, at that point a little under 2 years...)
Understanding that some consumers are likely to no admit fault for damages caused, & then lean on the OEMs warranty to fix the owner's problem. This is what OEMs are first to factor in when dealing with a claim. Is it acceptable? Until a regulation addresses it clearly & directly, it cannot be legally challenged.
It's a game of risk, expensive risk.
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Their offer is more than generous. Bikes have changed a lot over the last 5 years.
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