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71 Paramount P-13-9 v1 Kool Lemon build

Old 07-10-21, 02:31 PM
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71 Paramount P-13-9 v1 Kool Lemon build

Well it arrived today, a 1971 Paramount P-13-9 Kool Lemon frame! Thanks to Pastor Bob for being my Paramount sherpa....!



1971 P-13-9 Kool Lemon... this is version 1, with the geometry of previous Paramounts, meaning it won't allow Campy brakes, but it does have the Prugnat chrome lugs, rather than Nervex...


50th frame of February (B) 1971


Original paint but missing the Schwinn Paramount decals, so got these from Bicycle Bones on eBay... red pin striping around lugs means red decals, I think.....


Looks like it came from Kissler's in Portland, a really Kool bike shop sticker....


Applied decals....


Voila! Step 1 along this journey accomplished!
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what build do you have planned?
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The plan is for a build pretty close to stock components, including the Weinmann center pulls, Cinelli 1A stem and mod 64 bars, NR derailleurs and crank. Will build a sewup wheel set with high flange Campys. I have one never used "Schwinn Approved" 330 rim, which I believe is a re-badged Weinmann, need to find another. No repaint, just the re-decal, which is already done. . . stay tuned....
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Beautiful bike. Is that a Reynolds 531 frame?
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Yes G.Varela , it is Reynolds 531 tubing.

Thanks for the mention 75lechamp. I didn't realize when you sent the picture that it was a '71. I guessed something on the order of '69 or so. The frame date, however, of what certainly must be late February 1971, only proceeds my P-13 by approximately a month of days. My P-13's serial number is C7147. I never realized my P-13 stood at both the transition back to the original lugs and the change in frame sizing and fork geometry.

Can't wait to see how you build it up! Kool Lemon is a great color.
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There is nothing wrong with Weinmann Vainqueur 999 centerpull brakes, which I have on all of my road bikes except the Bianchi. Its Campagnolo sidepulls are OK, but underserving of hype and adulation. Besides, I think centerpulls simply look right with fancy lugs and high flange hubs.

The biggest benefit of a frame that accommodates Weinmann centerpulls is that the increased tire clearance affords you a lot of flexibility in choice of rims and rubber. With the Bianchi, I am locked in to 700C x 26mm (actual size) tires -- my 700Cx28 Continentals fit the bill because they run slightly small, but 700Cx28 Specialized, which run large, would not.
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Thatís just dreamy. A Paramount in my favorite color.
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The plan is for a build pretty close to stock components, including the Weinmann center pulls, Cinelli 1A stem and mod 64 bars, NR derailleurs and crank. Will build a sewup wheel set with high flange Campys. I have one never used "Schwinn Approved" 330 rim, which I believe is a re-badged Weinmann, need to find another. No repaint, just the re-decal, which is already done. . . stay tuned....
If it were mine to build stock, the one change I would make would be a 6-speed freewheel, probably "ultra" spaced to fit the 120mm dropout spacing, with the crucial missing 20T cog. I never understood the OEM progression of 14-16-18-23-26*, which has a huge gap right where I often need a gear. I would also go 49-46 up front, instead of 52-49.
49-46/14-16-18-20-23-26 would be a classic 10-speed half-step, plus a granny.


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* I never understood why they didn't just go with 52-48 / 14-16-19-23-26 when limited to 2x5. If I stay with 2x5 on one of the Capo Siegers, I am strongly considering 49-45 / 14-16-19-23-26 if my 1960 Gran Sport can't clear a 14-17-20-24-28 on the Capo's Agrati dropout.
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I am with you all the way regarding the color. Schwinn did have some great paint and color selections in the 1960s and 1970s.
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There is nothing wrong with Weinmann Vainqueur 999 centerpull brakes, which I have on all of my road bikes except the Bianchi. Its Campagnolo sidepulls are OK, but underserving of hype and adulation. Besides, I think centerpulls simply look right with fancy lugs and high flange hubs.

The biggest benefit of a frame that accommodates Weinmann centerpulls is that the increased tire clearance affords you a lot of flexibility in choice of rims and rubber. With the Bianchi, I am locked in to 700C x 26mm (actual size) tires -- my 700Cx28 Continentals fit the bill because they run slightly small, but 700Cx28 Specialized, which run large, would not.
I am right with you on the Weinmanns. I am from a vintage when these really were thought to be superior in terms of their stopping mechanics. I have a few sets of these around but they are all 610s. In test fitting for 700c sewups, I have noticed that I do need a 750 on the back, which is alright with me. One question I do have though - all of my Weinmanns are branded as such, and not "Schwinn Approved." By 1971 was Schwinn using Weinmann branded centerpulls?

On a related topic, here are the rims I plan to use, which are "Schwinn Approved 330" aka Weinmann tubulars...

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Lemon. Good for bikes. Good for pie.
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Lemon. Good for bikes. Good for pie.
Not good for cars.
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I am right with you on the Weinmanns. I am from a vintage when these really were thought to be superior in terms of their stopping mechanics. I have a few sets of these around but they are all 610s. In test fitting for 700c sewups, I have noticed that I do need a 750 on the back, which is alright with me. One question I do have though - all of my Weinmanns are branded as such, and not "Schwinn Approved." By 1971 was Schwinn using Weinmann branded centerpulls?
I can't help you on the "Schwinn Approved" label question, but 610 front / 750 rear was pretty standard Weinmann brake caliper sizing on a wide range of frames, particularly British, American, Austrian, and Japanese. Italian bikes of that era also seemed to run a longer brake in back than in front. French were closer to even in length.

I had two sets of wheels, tubulars (essentially 700C) and 27" clinchers, for my 1971 American Eagle (Nishiki) Semi-Pro, Weinmann clone 610 front, 750 rear. I slid the brake shoes almost all the way up for the clinchers and almost all the way down for the tubulars.
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Weinmann 750 rear brake

Measured a Weinmann 750 rear brake today, looks like it will reach a 700c tubular just fine....





Weinmann tear down

Weinmann 610

Weinmann 610 for the front with new Koolstop pads

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Seat post

Installed Campy NR 27.2....



True, the binder bolt is not exactly right; should have a plain domed head, not an S logo, but it is Schwinn...
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Campy NR headset

Campy NR headset installed..
My only issue is that I have a Weinmann front brake hanger that has a flat spot for alignment with a head tube that also has a flat spot. However, I have discovered this Paramount has a slot, so I need a hanger that has such a slot....

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Brake hanger compatibility


Head tube has a slot rather than a flat spot

My hanger has a flat spot and I need the type that has the slot.... this one was original to a Motobecane....
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French Steerers were often filed the way of your Motobecane. Note they are 25.0 -not 25.4mm, depending on the tolerances you may have to remove a bit of material around the circumference.

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Measured a Weinmann 750 rear brake today, looks like it will reach a 700c tubular just fine....





Weinmann tear down

Weinmann 610

Weinmann 610 for the front with new Koolstop pads
I really should get off my arse and order Weinmann-compatible KoolStop pads. I love my regular KoolStops, but yours just look right.
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Continuing the build...

Assembled derailleurs, crank, stem, bars, etc.....


Correct, non-dated Campy crank (appropriate for pre-73)....

Install using my peanut butter wrench...

Drive side...

Campy pre-CPSC front derailleur...

Install NR rear derailleur, using my t-wrench...

I don't have a PAT-71 rear, but looking for one.... meantime, will use the PAT 74 I had on hand....

Cinelli 1A stem with crest Model 64 Giro bars...

Old logo Cinelli 1A stem, with a 6mm Allen fitting, not sure if a '71 would have had the old 7mm...
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Brakes, saddle, shifters, working toward wheels...


Campy NR shift levers....

Weinmann center pull brake levers...

Yes, they are a bit crackly and worse for wear, but by comparison pretty intact....

Does anyone reproduce these with the Weinmann logo? I have some of the Cane Creek ones, but they're not quite accurate

Brooks Pro with a fresh coat of Proofide....

I will build the wheels with high flange Campy hubs, plus a set of "Schwinn Approved 330" rims. One has never been laced, the other had quite a few miles on it, but an hour or so with 0000 steel wool and Simichrome got most of the gunk off...

What I have learned is that in '71 the tubular rims for the P-13-9 stock were generally either Weinmann hollow or Weinmann wood-filled. They did not go to the Schwinn Approved until 1973 or so, so these are not exactly accurate, though in my opinion highly appropriate. Another interesting thing is the Schwinn Approved are actually Super Champions, rebadged. I think these in particular were based on the SC Record du Monde, which are 330s. I have also seen Schwinn Approved 260s....
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This looks to be coming along nicely! A friend of mine inherited from his late father two Paramount P13-9s in full chrome that were built in April of 1972. He gave me one of them after helping him refurbish the pair. Both had the 7mm bolt head affixing the original handlebars to the original Cinelli stem, so I would say yours likely originally had a 7mm bolt too. Not that you necessarily need it, but I believe thatís how it was.
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