New ideas for Leader bike for 2009 and 2010
03-27-09, 06:06 PM
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Ok, I'm very very interested in this frame now. Given this current info, do you predict a price above or below 500 dollars?
Leather saddles are pretty cool. I love my Toupe, but something like a Brooks or an Ideale would be nice to have access to if it weren't too pricey.
Leather saddles are pretty cool. I love my Toupe, but something like a Brooks or an Ideale would be nice to have access to if it weren't too pricey.
03-27-09, 09:03 PM
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Ok there will be absolutely no NJS headset etc, on the new frame. It will take a standard one inch threaded or thread less headset. Leader will offer a Tange or FSA headset with the frames as an option. For sure track geometry. No decals with decal kit included. You get to choose paint color as well as decal kit color choice. Fork options in both threaded and thread less with steel seer tube: 1. Carbon straight blade fork 2. lugged wide straight blade steel fork. BB 68mm English, seat post 27.2mm, rear spacing 120mm, intigrated seat clamp system, material is a high end type heat treated double butted 4130 chromolly steel. It will cost a bit more than Reynolds 520 but it will be better and lighter. New type of tubeset leader will use does not come availible in any Reynolds material. Reynolds also would take three five months to deliver raw material alone. Tang steel also imposes a similar problem. This new chromolly steel tubeset Leader will use is similar to the aluminum hydroform style that is very strong as well as beutiful.
While I like the Brooks "style" of saddle from a purely aesthetics standpoint, I feel they would clash with the aero type tubing being offered, and look out of place on the bike. Now, to put one your lugged steel frame that you now offer, that's another story.............
03-28-09, 02:15 PM
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furthermore, it's quite ignorant to say that ti can't be a stiff material for the track (which is why it's not uncommon to see litespeed at pro-am nights at the velodrome). look into tube diameter and titanium and how it can be used to build frames that excel in power transmission. factor in the far superior durability and you understand why those who enjoy the science of frame building often end up considering a titanium frame at some point. carbon is "superior" for race day, but i don't think leader is making race day frames here...
And why would anyone in their right mind spend $50 on a technilogically inferior headset that's more difficult to install properly, and have to buy the tools needed to do it in the first place? It's still a foolish move and a headset design, that still offers few options compared to the 100's available for 1 1/8" threadless.
furthermore, there's not much learning curve to installing a threaded headset, especially when compared to installing something like a ck.
What makes sense now? I'd love to hear your arrogant assumptions of me, who I am, and what my knowledge base is. It was no more of a silly idea than the original one of taking a frame design and gusseting it to make it be something it's not. Just like my analogy with their MTB designs. Save your opinions of me for yourself, because they are ALL based on ignorance knowing that you know nothing about me.
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03-29-09, 09:38 PM
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Spooki, I feel like you're arguing about something that SSBully did not say. SSBully at first was not attacking threadless stems; he was attacking the idea of Leader basing this new bike around a 1 inch threadless system, because it's clear that there are not as many high quality 1 inch threadless stems as there are 1.125 inch threadless stems.
I agree with SSBully and I feel that Leader is making a huge mistake in basing this bike on a 1 inch system. 1 inch threaded stems will not look appropriate for the tubing, and 1 inch threadless stems pale in comparison, in quality and availabilty, to 1.125 stems. Take it from me - I ride an early Kilo TT. I recently upgraded my stem and had nothing of quality to fall back on that would fit my bike. Why? Because the early Kilo TT used a 1 inch threadless system. I needed to switch to a 1.125 stem and use a shim. But, with the different stack heights of the stems, I couldn't just remove spacers, put the shim on so it was flush was the steerer, and then put the stem on. The stack height was too short. Then I couldn't put spacers back on because they were 1 inch spacers and wouldn't fit over the shim. In the end, I had to dial the fit in just right with the shim in the stem, and then cut the extra material of the shim off - and with a poor hacksaw, the only one I had on hand.
1 inch threaded won't look good on this bike.
1 inch threadless is a mistake for Leader.
The 1.125 inch standard is the only thing that Leader should be thinking.
I agree with SSBully and I feel that Leader is making a huge mistake in basing this bike on a 1 inch system. 1 inch threaded stems will not look appropriate for the tubing, and 1 inch threadless stems pale in comparison, in quality and availabilty, to 1.125 stems. Take it from me - I ride an early Kilo TT. I recently upgraded my stem and had nothing of quality to fall back on that would fit my bike. Why? Because the early Kilo TT used a 1 inch threadless system. I needed to switch to a 1.125 stem and use a shim. But, with the different stack heights of the stems, I couldn't just remove spacers, put the shim on so it was flush was the steerer, and then put the stem on. The stack height was too short. Then I couldn't put spacers back on because they were 1 inch spacers and wouldn't fit over the shim. In the end, I had to dial the fit in just right with the shim in the stem, and then cut the extra material of the shim off - and with a poor hacksaw, the only one I had on hand.
1 inch threaded won't look good on this bike.
1 inch threadless is a mistake for Leader.
The 1.125 inch standard is the only thing that Leader should be thinking.
03-29-09, 09:49 PM
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03-29-09, 09:52 PM
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Urgent. Lets Vote.
1-1/8" standard threadless (to fit any standard headset like chris king) and 1-1/8" threaded (we will have some quill stems in stock)
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1" threadless and threaded (we will have some quill stems in stock)
1-1/8" standard threadless (to fit any standard headset like chris king) and 1-1/8" threaded (we will have some quill stems in stock)
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1" threadless and threaded (we will have some quill stems in stock)
03-29-09, 10:01 PM
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You know where I stand! lol 1" anything will be the kiss of death!
03-29-09, 10:44 PM
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1 inch with a spacer doesnt seem so bad. and if youre gonna appeal to to people with the pursuit style they generally want threaded.
03-29-09, 11:09 PM
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1" threaded if you're making a classic styled frameset. There are enough headsets and stems out there to keep everyone satisfied.
1-1/8" otherwise.
1-1/8" otherwise.
03-30-09, 05:41 AM
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how is this even a question? aren't you attempting to build a stiff racing frame?
confused about how 1" ever even came into consideration...
confused about how 1" ever even came into consideration...
03-30-09, 12:11 PM
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1 1/8th por favor
ps-hey leader, i really like what youre doing with involving the customers in the design and production, i wish more companies would do what you're doing, keep it up..kudos
ps-hey leader, i really like what youre doing with involving the customers in the design and production, i wish more companies would do what you're doing, keep it up..kudos
03-30-09, 01:14 PM
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Thank you people. All the new steel frames will be 1-1/8" standard. We are looking to making the new headtubes milled in CNC. I am trying to get permission from Leader to show you guys the new designs and see what you all think. Leader should have the designs from the engineer soon.
Brian
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03-30-09, 02:05 PM
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Be aware many customers prefer using the shorter stems on these types of bikes. Also track geometry demands a longer top tube for the drop bars. If we make the top tube very short it will be more like a road bike and will also cause the angles of the frame to change. Many customers like to use riser bars so the longer top tube helps.
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03-30-09, 02:14 PM
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What do you mean by a conversion?
I wonder how fatigued I would get from a leader frame. Anyone find them uncomfortable for long rides? Or, does everyone just race these frames?
I wonder how fatigued I would get from a leader frame. Anyone find them uncomfortable for long rides? Or, does everyone just race these frames?